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devilhand

 

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Which technique is this? 

Antonio Mairena is singing Mirabras accompanied by Manuel Morao. Very cool sounding part at 1:56, 4:25 and 5:56. Sounds like alzapua. But who knows.



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RE: Which technique is this? (in reply to devilhand

It is a very personalized technique of his that he does in every palo. I learned a siguiriyas version and put it in compas for folks that want to learn it (cuz most of the time his concept of compas is very push pull with this technique and the math doesn’t always work). This was many years back and I have it a lot better now, this was after I first figured it out as it’s very tricky.



Here is a solea version I made up based on the same technique:



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RE: Which technique is this? (in reply to Ricardo

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This was many years back and I have it a lot better now, this was after I first figured it out as it’s very tricky.

Awesome. Somehow I knew that only you could answer this question.
I think what makes it tricky is the ability to coordinate super fast movements of 3 different fingers. Mostly at the same time. The thumb is playing alzapua while the index finger is striking treble strings and the ring finger is doing golpe. One more technique to master.

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RE: Which technique is this? (in reply to devilhand

The younger generation Diego del Morao and Pepe del Morao, use it too:

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RE: Which technique is this? (in reply to devilhand

I remember teaching this siguiriyas technique at elite guitarist but it seems only the solea part is available for free?

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The thumb is playing alzapua while the index finger is striking treble strings and the ring finger is doing golpe.


Actually alzapúa implies using the thumb as a pick so the upstroke is involved. Here there is no up stroke with the thumb.. the thumb drags across two notes where the second one takes on the beat feeling, and the index only plays the open first string. Although that is 3 notes, triplet, he doesn’t always have a 3 or 6 feeling (like what I do in the solea above). The siguiriyas is 6’s and 9’s mainly, p-i-p, p-i-p, etc. When I do the golpe there is a tricky change of p-P golpe-i....or hammer pull then i-i where i is up-down filling in the triplet.

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RE: Which technique is this? (in reply to Ricardo

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Actually alzapúa implies using the thumb as a pick so the upstroke is involved. Here there is no up stroke with the thumb.. the thumb drags across two notes where the second one takes on the beat feeling, and the index only plays the open first string.

As for the thumb the other day I thought the same. Thanks for mentioning the 1st open string because I wanted to ask about this.

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RE: Which technique is this? (in reply to orsonw

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The younger generation Diego del Morao and Pepe del Morao, use it too:


Thanks for the video. You appear out of nothing and post useful stuff like this. It happened many times. Keep it up!

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RE: Which technique is this? (in reply to devilhand

Here's an interesting way of plucking the strings with the index and middle finger at 0:08-0:23 and 0:31-0:40. Looks like he's pressing down the strings with his fingertips which leads to a strange way of planting. Is it technically correct? Or is this another personalized technique?



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RE: Which technique is this? (in reply to devilhand

Yes some personalized “sweeping” arpegios instead of a-m-i.

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RE: Which technique is this? (in reply to devilhand

At 18:49-18:55 one can clearly hear golpe. Which finger does golpe here? The ring or middle finger? To me it looks like it's the ring finger.

Btw, at 11:36 a clear demonstration of how rest stroke and free stroke picado would differ in sound. Visually there's a difference. But close your eyes and listen. Acoustically no difference?



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RE: Which technique is this? (in reply to devilhand

Ring does golpe (possible that pinky joins it but it is not visible so can’t be sure).

No the run sounds like tremolo and it is so aggressive that it makes the open b string ring out the entire time....very different than apoyando detached sound.

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RE: Which technique is this? (in reply to Ricardo

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Ring does golpe (possible that pinky joins it but it is not visible so can’t be sure).

Indeed it's the ring finger. It was irritating first. Because later at 19:04 he plays golpe with the middle finger.

I guess a single treble string is accented with ring finger golpe. When he plays pulgar downstroke - at least 2 strings (bass or treble strings or both bass and treble) are accented -, then middle finger golpe is used. But I'm not sure one can generalise this rule.

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No the run sounds like tremolo and it is so aggressive that it makes the open b string ring out the entire time....very different than apoyando detached sound.

Do you think he uses ima fingers before im picado?

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RE: Which technique is this? (in reply to devilhand

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Do you think he uses ima fingers before im picado?


No. I KNOW he uses a-m-i-a-m-i etc...

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