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machopicasso

 

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What are the five best cante (accomp... 

For those who have an informed opinion on this, I'm curious as to how you'd answer the following questions:

1. What are the five best cante albums of all time?

2. What are the five best cante accompaniment albums of all time?
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Ricardo

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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to machopicasso

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1. What are the five best cante albums of all time?


1. Chacon- Montoya
2. Paquera de Jerez- Parrilla
3. Caracol - Melchor
4. Terremoto - Manuel morao
5. Maria Vargas - paco de lucia

Modern:
1. Camaron Nuestro
2. Camaron potro rabia y miel
3. Terremoto jr - moraito
4. Indio Gitano - nuñez
5. José Merce - vicente Amigo

In the end I recommend to check out Rito y Geografia to get a taste for who is who. As for recordings, the old cante was more about one off performances on wax cylinders, 78s, 45s, etc....not the modern “album”. The best guitarist to accompany was Cepero. He worked for many, namely La Perla de cadiz. I enjoy festival flamenco gitano 1, a great mix of Cepero, even he sings some energetic rumbas, with some PDL mixed in for good measure. My favorite cantaor was Platero de Alcala, a bit of an unsung hero, but his album is not available, but I am content with his performances on Rito, some Juerga bootlegs, etc. In the modern era, what’s left of cante, El Pele stands out with a big range and technique in tact.

The most important cantaor in history recording wise was probably Antonio Mairena...because of his encyclopedic approach to recording. Not my favorite vocally but we all must appreciate what he did.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 21 2020 14:04:38
 
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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to machopicasso

Tomás Pavón con Melchor

Juan Villar con Ramón de Algeciras o con Cepero

Rancapino con Cepero

Rafael Romero con Antonio Arenas

Aurelio de Cádiz con Ramón Montoya
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 21 2020 15:39:50
 
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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to machopicasso

I can't name the top 5. But everyone should know this one. Camaron featuring Tomatito live in Paris 1987.

I have a follow-up question. Who's the king of flamenco cante accompaniment? I mean who accompanied the most of the singers in flamenco cante history? Is it Melchor de Marchena?

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Morante

 

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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to Morante

Hola Ricardo

I was going to post El Indio, but you got there first! Platero was great and another forgotten great was Angel de Alora.
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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

quote:

1. What are the five best cante albums of all time?


1. Chacon- Montoya
2. Paquera de Jerez- Parrilla
3. Caracol - Melchor
4. Terremoto - Manuel morao
5. Maria Vargas - paco de lucia

Modern:
1. Camaron Nuestro
2. Camaron potro rabia y miel
3. Terremoto jr - moraito
4. Indio Gitano - nuñez
5. José Merce - vicente Amigo

In the end I recommend to check out Rito y Geografia to get a taste for who is who. As for recordings, the old cante was more about one off performances on wax cylinders, 78s, 45s, etc....not the modern “album”. The best guitarist to accompany was Cepero. He worked for many, namely La Perla de cadiz. I enjoy festival flamenco gitano 1, a great mix of Cepero, even he sings some energetic rumbas, with some PDL mixed in for good measure. My favorite cantaor was Platero de Alcala, a bit of an unsung hero, but his album is not available, but I am content with his performances on Rito, some Juerga bootlegs, etc. In the modern era, what’s left of cante, El Pele stands out with a big range and technique in tact.

The most important cantaor in history recording wise was probably Antonio Mairena...because of his encyclopedic approach to recording. Not my favorite vocally but we all must appreciate what he did.



Ricardo,
Boss is out for the evening, really enjoying this one, sure if I have the correct album, the #2 from your list:



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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to machopicasso

If we're going by albums, my top-5 list would probably end up being all anthologies / collective albums. Things like "Canta Jerez", the Hispavox anthology, etc. Not sure if that's the kind of answer you're looking for though because it doesn't single out specific artists. My favorite accompanists are probably Cepero, Juan Habichuela, Moraito, Paco Javier Jimeno and Jero (Cepero n1 and the rest in no particular order). Favorite singers would probably be Fosforito, Terremoto, Maria Vargas, Enrique Morente and Macanita. In the younger generation, maybe Israel Fernandez or Ezequiel Benitez.
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machopicasso

 

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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to Ricardo

Thanks for the recommendations.

quote:

In the modern era, what’s left of cante,...


Curiously, what's your criticism of cante in the modern era?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 22 2020 5:48:41
 
machopicasso

 

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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to Piwin

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If we're going by albums, my top-5 list would probably end up being all anthologies / collective albums. Things like "Canta Jerez", the Hispavox anthology, etc. Not sure if that's the kind of answer you're looking for though because it doesn't single out specific artists.


Yes, those will work. Thanks.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 22 2020 5:51:22
 
Piwin

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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to machopicasso

In that case:

Canta Jerez, Magna Antologia del Cante Flamenco, Antologia del Cante Flamenco (Hispavox), Mujerez, and Seleccion Antologica del Cante Flamenco (Fosforito + PdL).

Same list for accompaniment, except maybe replace the last one by any album with Cepero as accompanist.

Anyway, just my personal preference. I don't have the kind of knowledge of cante that Ricardo or Morante have.
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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to Piwin

ines bacan -moraito album soledad sonora
dani de morons 21-various artists
tomatito and pansequito
tomatito and duquende
el torta con moraito album colores morenos
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Ricardo

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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to Morante

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Angel de Alora.


Yes, never found any album of his but he does excellent stuff in Rito y Geografia. The style lead me backward to my current favorite from Malaga, Pena Hijo.

I think there might be a tie among the top two accompanists for cante on recordings between Niño Ricardo and Melchor de Marchena. At least it is the methods of those two that everyone had since used as the blue prints for accompanying the cantes vs some of the the older players such as Montoya or Borrull. After all that innovation/evolution, for me, Cepero reigns as the best for what cante always required. The modern era saw the style of Moraito and Tomatito take on the role of main inspiration for cante accompaniment, however, I don’t feel that either one is an improvement on what Cepero had been doing.

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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to Piwin

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I don't have the kind of knowledge of cante that Ricardo or Morante have.


I am just an aficionado, Ricardo is a maestro
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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to Morante

Seems like Dani de. Maron and or Diego del Morao have been the most utilized for accompaniment the past 10 years
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 22 2020 16:04:35
 
Ricardo

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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to Morante

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I am just an aficionado, Ricardo is a maestro


I am also an aficionado of cante...the actual singers were the true maestros and know things even to details of technique (how the sound is produced in the larynx). Until I can ever actually do it, and demonstrate a true understanding by reproducing it, that’s all I will ever be anyway.

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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to machopicasso

Some perhaps idiosyncratic favorites of mine, where singer and voice combine particularly well include José de la Tomasa accompanied by Ricardo Miño; also by Paco del Gastor or Juan Habichuela. Another pairing is Perrate de Utrera with Diego del Gastor. And Rafael Romero, Jarrito, or Pepe el Culata with Perico, either viejo or hijo, though these three cantaores sound good to me anytime.

Women singers would include the incomparable Manolita de Jerez, accompanied by either Triguito or Niño Ricardo; also Rosario López with Antonio Gómez.

Just a few suggestions from Back When.

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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to Morante

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I am just an aficionado, Ricardo is a maestro

I think Mr. Marlow was born in the wrong place, wrong era and wrong hair. He should have been born 80 years earlier in Jerez, Spain and a part of Rito series as Ricardo de Jerez accompanying high profile singers. So we could have been talking about him on the foro. Some dude on the foro:

My Top 5
Platero de Alcala - Ricardo de Jerez
Paquera de Jerez- Parrilla
Caracol - Melchor de Marchena
Terremoto - Manuel Morao
La Perla de Cadiz - Paco Cepero

But the reality looks like this. During the civil war in Spain one die-hard aficionado, who mastered flamenco guitar and accompaniment like no one else, left Spain to the USA. After he died, his soul was reincarnated as Mr. Marlow and sent him to the foro.

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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to Ricardo

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5. José Merce - vicente Amigo


That’s funny, I liked the bulerias on that album, But El Pele - Vicente Amigo is one of my all time favorites, that would be my pick of the two. To each his own!

Edit: listened to alum just now , it’s been years, it is indeed good. They are both good.
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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to Ricardo

There have always been great tocaores who were in demand by all the best cantaores. We have lost Paco Antequera, Manolo Dominguez, Quique Paredes.

Stiil there are few called by many: Antonio Carrión (plays too many notes for me), Rafael Rodriquez Cabezas, Chaparro de Malaga, Joselito de Puro.
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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to machopicasso

I like Jesus Zarrias's accompaniment:
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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to machopicasso

Fernanda, although in some ways an incomplete singer, she had probably cornered a good deal of the market in Solea. And her Cantinas del Pinnini ( isn't that a sandwich in Italy?) make her a first stringer.

It doesn't matter which guitarist she works with, but Paco del Gastor was the staple, Marote and Fernanda is kind of a necessary listen.

Inez Bacan and Moraito mentioned, yeah that's a strange style match I don't think they quite connect. Pedro Bacan was the one that understood all that Lebrija stuff the right way.

Most everything has been mentioned, but Parilla with Macanita and Cepero with Santiago Donday are important footnotes

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RE: What are the five best cante (ac... (in reply to machopicasso

Santiago Donday with Paco Cepero,
Indio Gitano album with Gerardo Nunez have impressed me the most.
Enrique Morente albums with Pepe Habichuela are also great.

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Yeah Indio with Gerardo is a kind of masterpiece by both

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That’s funny, I liked the bulerias on that album, But El Pele - Vicente Amigo is one of my all time favorites, that would be my pick of the two. To each his own!

Edit: listened to alum just now , it’s been years, it is indeed good. They are both good.


There's a ten year old video of another guitarist with Pele, I forgot who, but he's playing David Serva falsetas...I'll have to find that it might still be on you tube

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