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Ricardo

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RE: Ramirez blancas from 1950 (in reply to El Burdo


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Really well done!

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RobF

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RE: Ramirez blancas from 1950 (in reply to El Burdo

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Ouch. I had a go at that


I don’t see how you had much choice but to restore it to pegs, that was a disaster waiting to happen. Hardly any wood left!

Agree with Ricardo. Good job.
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Ricardo

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RE: Ramirez blancas from 1950 (in reply to Ricardo

Look at this sloppy work of Faustino (or was it a conversion by someone?)



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 2 2020 19:14:34
 
RobF

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RE: Ramirez blancas from 1950 (in reply to Ricardo

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Look at this sloppy work of Faustino (or was it a conversion by someone?)


Hard to say, picture’s not big enough.

The only sure thing about it is, it is a little sloppy, this is true, but not horribly so. It actually doesn’t look that bad to me. My Contreras kicks its butt in the looks department and El Burdo’s pre-correction conversion reigns supreme.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a conversion, but who knows? It looks like a fake, lol. Is it? Something tells me this might be a loaded question.

P.S. the butterfly buttons on the tuners look Japanese, but the tuners look like the same cheapo Fusteros that are on my Conde, except mine has normal buttons. Also, kind of joking about the fake thing. The head has the same “feel” as the head on mine, except the string slot ramps on mine are better executed.
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Echi

 

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RE: Ramirez blancas from 1950 (in reply to Ricardo

Original Faustino of the sixties.
Many headstocks of Barbero are not less sloppy.
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RobF

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RE: Ramirez blancas from 1950 (in reply to Echi

Mine. Not much difference there, to my eyes. But, in no way do I claim any expertise on Condes. Sorry for the lighting, too, it’s raining out and I almost destroyed my living room trying to find a spot to lean the thing. Is this where everyone jumps in and tells me mine’s a fake?



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El Burdo

 

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RE: Ramirez blancas from 1950 (in reply to ernandez R

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Did you notice any sonic difference one she had settled out after changing back to pegs, you know just to drag this thread another direction?

Was it back to pegs or just from machine tuners?

Was the change Historical compliance or aesthetic?

HR


Hi eR - this was my first flamenco project so it was/is a work in permanent progress - full of errors, but it sounded surprisingly old school. It was originally pegs, and for some reason I changed it to tuners and made some grievous mistakes, overchiselling etc. I changed it back to pegs which is why there are so many holes in it :-). I made some other small changes which I think improved the sound, but I didn't hear anything that I could account for in the sound when it was changed tbh. Less mass in the head but lots of glue joins and I don't know what might be responsible for the sound. I would guess that a one piece peg head would sound different to a multi section peghead but the difference could be minute. (IOW I don't know). And, aesthetic i think - I love the look and I purposefully choose white golpeadors.
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El Burdo

 

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RE: Ramirez blancas from 1950 (in reply to RobF

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I don’t see how you had much choice but to restore it to pegs, that was a disaster waiting to happen. Hardly any wood left!

Agree with Ricardo. Good job.


Thanks men, appreciate it. No, it was a last ditch attempt to make a guitar with a head at all :-). I was just bouncing from one humiliating snafu to another, but this fix worked out quite well. All my workings were visible on the back though, so I cloaked it with some mahogany veneer.
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RobF

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RE: Ramirez blancas from 1950 (in reply to El Burdo

Ooops. Sorry about that, I didn’t realize the first conversion was your handiwork. I would have been a lot more tactful. All’s well that ends well, though, and as you said, it’s all about the learning and constant improvement.

Estabananana has done some head cloaking jobs to great effect. Pretty near invisible work when he’s done.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 3 2020 0:46:07
 
RobF

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RE: Ramirez blancas from 1950 (in reply to Ricardo

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Look at this sloppy work of Faustino (or was it a conversion by someone?)


Back to your guitar. That it has the same tuners as mine makes me think it probably left the shop that way, so not a conversion. The difference in slot dimensions between the two is likely just due to the two guitars being from different eras, with mine being later (if yours was made in the 60’s, as Echi indicates). Makers or shops aren’t locked in to any one method, after all, and do change how they do things.

Or perhaps their process was to prepare the heads to a fixed angle and leave the decision to slot or peg for later. Or maybe they slotted peg head guitars after the fact, based on demand, so shop executed, pre-sale conversions. Doing either could lead to the slots being cut by a different person than the one who carved the head and explain differences in slotting styles. But, this is just speculation on my part. If anyone knows the answer, it would be interesting to hear.
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JasonM

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RE: Ramirez blancas from 1950 (in reply to Ricardo

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Look at this sloppy work of Faustino (or was it a conversion by someone


Yeah Rob, maybe it is a trick looks ok to me?
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