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Inglés

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Fandangos de Huelva, what do I need ... 

So I'm learning FdH, I have high hopes that it will eventually become the first palo I can play, at a simple level, in full, piecing the together different sections.

First up, a big hand for Ricardo whose Youtube video taught me the basic compás. I made use of the free vid, but the other videos to complete Fdh are behind a paywall at EliteGuitarist. I swear I would normally pay the subscription in a heartbeat, except that Covid has hit my industry like a bastard, I'm self-employed and no money coming in ... sorry Ricardo

So I did a bit of googling / listened to a few versions of the palo to piece together the chords for the letra. And i picked up a falsetta from a book, and a variation on it from another youtube video. All good fun.

I've been having trouble finding an intro for beginners, if anyone can point me in the right direction that'd be appreciated.

Listening to different FdH, the structure seems fairly simple - as far as I can tell, if I learn a bit of an intro, I have everything I need and I just need to perfect stringing them together and increase my speed ... and I think I might be there.

Is there anything I'm missing out?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 18 2020 22:20:02
 
Ricardo

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to Inglés

In case you didn’t see this intro type falseta


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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 18 2020 23:47:10
 
devilhand

 

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to Inglés

quote:

First up, a big hand for Ricardo whose Youtube video taught me the basic compás. I made use of the free vid, but the other videos to complete Fdh are behind a paywall at EliteGuitarist. I swear I would normally pay the subscription in a heartbeat, except that Covid has hit my industry like a bastard, I'm self-employed and no money coming in ... sorry Ricardo

I don't know where money goes if you get lessons at EliteGuitarist.

I heard if you buy Encuentro videos, for example G. Nunez DVD, money goes solely to some guys sitting in Switzerland. G. Nunez as an artist won't get a single penny. To me, these DVD's are overpriced. 80-100 dollars or euros. C'mon!!! Give me a break. I'll never spend money on it in Switzerland - one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Money will be well spent in Andalusia instead. Or I'll donate to people who need money badly for their basic needs.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 19 2020 15:20:33
 
Stu

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to devilhand

I'm sure someone could tell you......

Where did you hear this about encuentro?

I struggle to believe artists got nothing from those dvds/books.
I don't know though. Maybe the royalty deal expired or something.
Unless there was some almighty blag carried out. Gerardo isn't exactly a simple gypsy with no business sense I can't see him or any others coming out of that with no cash. (But I could be very wrong)

Ingles, whats your industry?? Not the film industry is it?
Only ask because the coincidence of you living about five minutes from me was odd.... This would be even odder.

Cool fdh vid. Thanks Ricardo. Gonna add that to my fdh material. Cheers
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 19 2020 15:31:14
 
Ricardo

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to devilhand

quote:

ORIGINAL: devilhand

quote:

First up, a big hand for Ricardo whose Youtube video taught me the basic compás. I made use of the free vid, but the other videos to complete Fdh are behind a paywall at EliteGuitarist. I swear I would normally pay the subscription in a heartbeat, except that Covid has hit my industry like a bastard, I'm self-employed and no money coming in ... sorry Ricardo

I don't know where money goes if you get lessons at EliteGuitarist.

I heard if you buy Encuentro videos, for example G. Nunez DVD, money goes solely to some guys sitting in Switzerland. G. Nunez as an artist won't get a single penny. To me, these DVD's are overpriced. 80-100 dollars or euros. C'mon!!! Give me a break. I'll never spend money on it in Switzerland - one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Money will be well spent in Andalusia instead. Or I'll donate to people who need money badly for their basic needs.


You have no clue what you are talking about. When artists do these projects they get a flat chunk of cash up front instead of waiting on the royalties (freaking pennies you...) that the producers make long term.... now a days less and less thanks to Clueless people Such as....

I talked with marcel ege who made those amazing vids when he was STUDYING with Gerardo in Sanlucar. Please buy a Flamenco guitar amigo and stop talking.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 19 2020 16:51:30
 
Stu

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to Ricardo

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 19 2020 18:17:20
 
mark indigo

 

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to devilhand

quote:

To me, these DVD's are overpriced. 80-100 dollars or euros.


worth every penny/cent.

but then, if you know everything already, you have no need to learn from great players...

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ernandez R

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to Inglés

Ok Inglés
Do you recall what thread the Ricardo M FdH video was on?

I would like to give this a go myself and pick your brain if you don’t mind.

FdH is 3/4 time correct?

Is FdH the same as a Fandango or what are the differences?

The other parts of the FdH, do you have any other vid links you could share?

I too have gone from disposable income to scraping the barrel, dog knows what I’m going to do when I break the next D string ;)

And Ricardo, thanx for sharing!

HR

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can be raw or well done,
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 19 2020 19:16:44
 
orsonw

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to devilhand

quote:

these DVD's are overpriced. 80-100 dollars or euros



I find they are very good value. A detailed look at the toque of some of the best. I go back to them again and again- there's enough to last a lifetime.

Of course there's lot of free information on the internet, but much of that is over confident opinion, and often wrong/worthless.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 19 2020 19:36:26
 
Piwin

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to Stu

quote:

Only ask because the coincidence of you living about five minutes from me was odd.... This would be even odder.


By any chance, does either of you reside at 19 Bromfield Street and have a young daughter named Alice with heterochrome eyes?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 19 2020 20:06:49
 
devilhand

 

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to ernandez R

quote:

Do you recall what thread the Ricardo M FdH video was on?

I would like to give this a go myself and pick your brain if you don’t mind.

FdH is 3/4 time correct?


Time signature is 3/4.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 19 2020 20:42:41
 
Stu

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to Piwin

quote:

By any chance, does either of you reside at 19 Bromfield Street and have a young daughter named Alice with heterochrome eyes?






Are you spying on me??
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 19 2020 20:47:25
 
TonyGonzales84

 

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to Inglés

I highly recommend the one with Merengue de Cordoba, which is dedicated to accompanying the cante, with Churumbaque singing. This is worth every penny (and then some!), with all the palos included. My wife comments on how both Merengue and Churumbaque are obviously enjoying themselves throughout the video.

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Piwin

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to Stu

It just made me think of that absurd scene in Ionesco's The Bald Soprano. A man and a woman meet. They have the impression they've met before but just can't remember where. They trace back their steps. You came in 2nd class from Manchester? What a coincidence! So did I! Perhaps we met there. You live on Bromfield street? What a coincidence! So do I! Perhaps we met there. The whole thing goes on for quite a while. The coincidences continue to pile up: they both live on the same street, at the same number, on the same floor, with the same apartment number, sleep in the bedroom at the end of the corridor (what a coincidence! perhaps we met there! ^^) and both have a daughter named Alice with heterochrome eyes. Only then do they finally recognize each other and realize they're husband and wife.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 19 2020 22:31:44
 
Stu

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to Piwin

Haven't seen this film. Sounds great...but imagine that's a big spoiler there.

Weirdly there's a bromfield road about 10 mins away
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 20 2020 7:43:24
 
Piwin

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to Stu

quote:

but imagine that's a big spoiler there


Nah there's not really any plot to speak of. The whole play is basically just two couples talking to each other in seemingly nonsensical conversations. As the story goes, Ionesco was trying to learn English, and he got the idea for the play by how ridiculous the dialogues in language textbooks are.

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flyeogh

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and he got the idea for the play by how ridiculous the dialogues in language textbooks are.


Thanks for that I've just spent an hour doing English dialogues about two teachers in Deptford. Sort of "Please Sir" stuff for those old enough to remember that. I thought it was quite good ----------- but now you mention it

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Piwin

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According to the Wikipedia page: "The idea for the play came to Ionesco while he was trying to learn English with the Assimil method. Impressed by the contents of the dialogues, often very sober and strange, he decided to write an absurd play (...)."

But the play is from 1957. I'm sure the dialogues have improved since then!

Anyway, I'll butt out before Inglés gets pissed at me for derailing his thread!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 20 2020 8:38:24
 
mark indigo

 

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to devilhand

quote:

quote:

Do you recall what thread the Ricardo M FdH video was on?

I would like to give this a go myself and pick your brain if you don’t mind.

FdH is 3/4 time correct?


Time signature is 3/4.



Fandango de Huelva doesn't have a "time signature" because the artists that create/d, compose/d and perform/ed it didn't (with very few exceptions) write it.

Other people write it down, and although it is often transcribed in 3/4 I have seen it transcribed in 3/8 and 3/2.

Ricardo says in the video, it has "basically a three beat phrase" and "I'm... counting in three - that's the most important part of the basic groove is the three beat feel"

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ernandez R

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to mark indigo

Thanx Mark,
I went back a rewatched Ricardos video a few times to get a better idea.

Don’t feel like I have a the FdH compas straight in my head yet though. I did google around a bit but no joy

HR

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doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

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ernandez R

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to ernandez R

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ORIGINAL: ernandez R

Thanx Mark,
I went back a rewatched Ricardos video a few times to get a better idea.

Don’t feel like I have a the FdH compas straight in my head yet though. I did google around a bit but no joy

HR


Ok, tried clapping along a few times and then just picked up my guitar and started playing along with the first Ricardo video up thread and and the three beat came to me right away if I resolved the compas on F# on the 12/last beat of the compas. I have a harder time writing this not being totally familure with the vanacular so I hope I'm explaining it correctly.

I should have just played it first thing regardless

HR

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doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

www.instagram.com/threeriversguitars
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 20 2020 20:04:57
 
Inglés

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to Ricardo

Ricardo - cheers for the intro, I’ll have a look at that tomorrow … and probably for a few more nights and then some, looks like a decent challenge to get that down. But I feel tantalisingly close to being able to legitimately say there ie one palo I can genuinely play! I guess the question is speed, I’m currently working at 100BPM, that doesn’t feel fast enough though, I feel I probably need to get to around 120?

ernandez R - it’s good fun, I found it weird to get my head round the count at first. I thought the “flamenco clock” was complicated and the basic 3 beat count of FsH would be relatively simple, but actually found it much harder to feel than alegrías for example. Goes to show I don’t know ****, basically! But enough repetition and counting/foot tapping got me there in the end - I did find slowing right down and counting out loud in 3s was a big help to start with.

Ricardo’s compás instruction is here:


I learned 1 falsetta from Juan Martín’s “El Arte…” book and 1 from this video:


quote:

ORIGINAL: Stu
Ingles, whats your industry?? Not the film industry is it?
Only ask because the coincidence of you living about five minutes from me was odd.... This would be even odder.


It’s recruitment actually, I left my old company to set up my own thing WFH in January, could have timed that better…

I actually do know someone who lives in Dulwich and works in film though! I am starting to feel a bit like Piwin’s movie here
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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to Inglés

This is a good one:



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flyeogh

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to Inglés

quote:

I guess the question is speed, I’m currently working at 100BPM, that doesn’t feel fast enough though, I feel I probably need to get to around 120?


Ingles you made me smile with that - Tx. My prof was always complaining that I didn't play at a slow enough pace. "Doesn't matter if it is 80, even 70." he would say.

Recently I've added a 9 notes/bar pulgar section to an alegrias piece. If I play my normal compas and arpeggios speed I'd never get those pulgars to work. But slowing down the compas, having played it so often, I find difficult

As some member here has in their signature (sorry forgotten who ) "This stuff is not easy"

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Inglés

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to flyeogh

quote:

ORIGINAL: flyeogh

Ingles you made me smile with that - Tx. My prof was always complaining that I didn't play at a slow enough pace. "Doesn't matter if it is 80, even 70." he would say.

Recently I've added a 9 notes/bar pulgar section to an alegrias piece. If I play my normal compas and arpeggios speed I'd never get those pulgars to work. But slowing down the compas, having played it so often, I find difficult

As some member here has in their signature (sorry forgotten who ) "This stuff is not easy"

Yeah I think there's a temptation to always try and speed up, it takes discipline to stick to a slow speed and get accurate before increasing speed. I'm definitely guilty of getting impatient at times. Actually slowing down can be just as difficult as speeding up I find.

"Speed is a by-product of accuracy" I heard somewhere, not sure whose quote it is.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 21 2020 20:02:08
 
devilhand

 

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RE: Fandangos de Huelva, what do I n... (in reply to Inglés

quote:

"Speed is a by-product of accuracy" I heard somewhere, not sure whose quote it is.

Scott Tennant says something similar in his video Pumping Nylon. Control and accuracy are essential for speed. They give you the maximum speed. What he means by controlling and accuracy is planting the fingers correctly and practicing slow.

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