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Ricardo

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix

The wrist motion is twisting using a “broken” or bent wrist position: supination downstroke, pronation upstroke. As opposed to sideways wrist motion as in up and down alternate flat picking using a flat wrist position.

EDIT: pronation downstroke, s-UP-inatation UP stroke.... see below.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2019 10:31:15
 
kitarist

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

The wrist motion is twisting using a “broken” or bent wrist position: supination downstroke, pronation upstroke. As opposed to sideways wrist motion as in up and down alternate flat picking using a flat wrist position.


I think the other way around - supination is upstroke. Can't pour soup into your palm after a downstroke

Good point about the wrist - however the forearm rotation along the long axis is still the same in both straight wrist and wrist at some constant angle relative to forearm, I think.

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to kitarist

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ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

(Pronation: Hold you hand with the palm inward, parallel to your belly.. Rotate the upper arm so the thumb goes closer to your belly. That's pronation, supination is the other way.


My little trick is to think of supination being the one where you rotate your forearm so that one can pour 'soup' in the palm Sort of a homophone-based memory aid.


I should have written “forearm,” not “upper arm.”

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2019 16:56:02
 
kitarist

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to Richard Jernigan

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I should have written “forearm,” not “upper arm.”

RNJ


Ha! I did not even notice; assumed we were both talking about the forearm.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2019 17:41:49
 
JasonM

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to kitarist

Antonio says at the end of the series that he doesn’t play with the dedos anymore and just uses a pick because it’s so much easier. Oh well
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rombsix

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to JasonM

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Antonio says at the end of the series that he doesn’t play with the dedos anymore and just uses a pick because it’s so much easier. Oh well




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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 24 2019 5:20:24
 
Ricardo

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to kitarist

quote:

ORIGINAL: kitarist

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

The wrist motion is twisting using a “broken” or bent wrist position: supination downstroke, pronation upstroke. As opposed to sideways wrist motion as in up and down alternate flat picking using a flat wrist position.


I think the other way around - supination is upstroke. Can't pour soup into your palm after a downstroke

Good point about the wrist - however the forearm rotation along the long axis is still the same in both straight wrist and wrist at some constant angle relative to forearm, I think.

Yes I got it backwards because you meant to say supination is to RECEIVE soup in your hand from another person POURING it who was using pronation.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 24 2019 15:54:56
 
kitarist

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: kitarist

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

The wrist motion is twisting using a “broken” or bent wrist position: supination downstroke, pronation upstroke. As opposed to sideways wrist motion as in up and down alternate flat picking using a flat wrist position.


I think the other way around - supination is upstroke. Can't pour soup into your palm after a downstroke

Good point about the wrist - however the forearm rotation along the long axis is still the same in both straight wrist and wrist at some constant angle relative to forearm, I think.

Yes I got it backwards because you meant to say supination is to RECEIVE soup in your hand from another person POURING it who was using pronation.


Damn, yes. Effing English, when will I get it right..

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 24 2019 16:35:46
 
rombsix

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to kitarist

Why look who's here...



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 6 2019 3:50:34
 
himanshu.g

 

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix

wow, I learnt some of that in private lessons with Ricardo.

Obviously you don't get to ask specific questions in video format which is the major advantage of private lessons, but, for beginners, it is great to get all that for $30 (probably with tabs which you don't get in private lesson :) ).
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 6 2019 18:13:16
 
JasonM

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix

We already have Juan Martin to teach beginner solea
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Ricardo

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to JasonM

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We already have Juan Martin to teach beginner solea



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 6 2019 22:42:38
 
Arash

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to JasonM

lol

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to Ricardo

Big lurker on the forum and congrats to Ricardo for being on that elite guitarist platform. I think I will sign up for a month or so and go thru Ricardo's videos and also Tanaka seems to have some good ones for Rumba and Seguiryia also (for my beginner or so level anyways). I need to find a new motivation and I think these videos might be what I need at the moment.

Speaking of guitars, what's the story on Jose Tanaka's guitar? Who is luthier on that one as it has a unique look? It looks like it has been played more then a few times! (edit, found it through some search posted by Arash, Boaz Elkayam)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 7 2019 16:04:25
 
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 19 2019 0:03:39
 
rombsix

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 6 2019 10:19:01
 
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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix

Gracias Ricardo for the Fandangos lesson video. I used it this morning for a Fandangos revision with my Jerez prof Moises. It led to trying various rasgueos. And incorporating the iras3 (pronounced e-ras as in spanish) as named by me, as opposed to ras3i, in Tangos and Sevillanas. Very useful .

The ires3 for sure gives a different feel. Sadly I now have a sevillanas to perfect by next thursday with my new rasgueo

And thanks of course to Ramzi for posting it.

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Ricardo

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to flyeogh

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ORIGINAL: flyeogh

Gracias Ricardo for the Fandangos lesson video. I used it this morning for a Fandangos revision with my Jerez prof Moises. It led to trying various rasgueos. And incorporating the iras3 (pronounced e-ras as in spanish) as named by me, as opposed to ras3i, in Tangos and Sevillanas. Very useful .

The ires3 for sure gives a different feel. Sadly I now have a sevillanas to perfect by next thursday with my new rasgueo

And thanks of course to Ramzi for posting it.


Great, glad you got something out of it!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 8 2019 21:36:00
 
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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to Ricardo

Anyone else signed up and have some thoughts? Have transcriptions been made available on the lessons now?
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