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rombsix

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JasonM

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix

I subscribed last week just so I could check out the Antonio Rey content. My thoughts are somewhat mixed.

Antonio teaches mostly exercises and a few falsetas por Bulerias and Algerias. Then there are some short “performances” of him playing parts of his pieces. Material is good, But don’t expect a lot of tips or explanation, he just plays. It’s a lot like the Encuentro series. There are no transcriptions of the material that I have seen so far. And the videos are broken down into short 1-2min segments which an introduction at the beginning. So it gets very annoying quick. Also I found some video and audio out of sync.
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 7 2019 9:58:15
 
Neotriz

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix

Oh that's a shame. I was really gonna check it out, but it seems if it's just gonna be fasletas without any real explanations, then I'll pass :/
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 7 2019 14:59:22
 
Mark2

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to JasonM

I'm on an Antonio kick after seeing his concert. Between tabsflamenco's transcriptions, which are very reasonably priced, and the great youtube vids that can be slowed down, it's obvious what he's doing. Doing it the way he does it is another story.



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ORIGINAL: JasonM

I subscribed last week just so I could check out the Antonio Rey content. My thoughts are somewhat mixed.

Antonio teaches mostly exercises and a few falsetas por Bulerias and Algerias. Then there are some short “performances” of him playing parts of his pieces. Material is good, But don’t expect a lot of tips or explanation, he just plays. It’s a lot like the Encuentro series. There are no transcriptions of the material that I have seen so far. And the videos are broken down into short 1-2min segments which an introduction at the beginning. So it gets very annoying quick. Also I found some video and audio out of sync.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 7 2019 16:51:43
 
rasqeo77

 

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix

Looks pretty good to me. I try not to use tabs anymore anyway - it’s so easy to slow videos down nowadays and it’s a much better way to learn.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 7 2019 18:40:11
 
himanshu.g

 

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix

I wish watching more and more technique videos improved the technique :)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 8 2019 3:17:33
 
JasonM

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to Mark2

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Between tabsflamenco's transcriptions, which are very reasonably priced, and the great youtube vids that can be slowed down, it's obvious what he's doing. Doing it the way he does it is another story.


I agree what he plays is straight forward. Not having a transcript isn’t an issue when you can slow things down or loop parts. But you can’t do that with these videos - it’s more like going back to the old cassette days. Stop ,rewind, play, stop, rewind, play. This takes more time to learn and hence gets you to extend your subscription time!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 8 2019 15:30:46
 
rombsix

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to JasonM

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This takes more time to learn and hence gets you to extend your subscription time!




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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 8 2019 15:59:51
 
Moloko

 

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix

Looks like it's way more expensive than other bigger and thorough plataforms as it is tonebase (for an example) for little content with short duration, no speed control and no tab/sheet.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 9 2019 1:24:08
 
JasonM

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix

One thing I picked up from these videos is regarding Pulgar. Antonio talks about practicing Pulgar and alzapua without using the wrist. Although I don’t understand him thoroughly because my Spanish is not the best. I’ve noticed him doing this before in performance and I assume you can get much faster without using the wrist. You can see him play the same exercise (and picado) from a video a while back.

https://youtu.be/sR6RFi_UxJQ
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 10 2019 15:15:40
 
rasqeo77

 

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to JasonM

quote:

ORIGINAL: JasonM

One thing I picked up from these videos is regarding Pulgar. Antonio talks about practicing Pulgar and alzapua without using the wrist. Although I don’t understand him thoroughly because my Spanish is not the best. I’ve noticed him doing this before in performance and I assume you can get much faster without using the wrist. You can see him play the same exercise (and picado) from a video a while back.

https://youtu.be/sR6RFi_UxJQ


Actually he says that the movement should only come from the wrist. But it’s clear from the video that he uses thumb movement as well. Either he made a mistake when describing it (although he says it twice) or he just isn’t doing what he is describing. I’m guessing the latter as it’s not uncommon with players who are performers first and are not really specialists at teaching.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 11 2019 18:54:35
 
JasonM

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rasqeo77

I don’t trust my Spanish but looking at the first two Pulgar videos he says “Solo Pulgar” and he anchors his fingers on the high e string. They don’t leave the high e string like they would if he rotated his wrist.

For the Alzapua I see where he says don’t use a lot of force while he’s shaking his wrist. And he doesn’t use much of any
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 11 2019 19:59:11
 
rasqeo77

 

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix

Ah okay sorry I thought you just meant in alzapua. In that video he definitely says “just wrist” while his thumb is clearly moving!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 11 2019 20:33:29
 
JasonM

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rasqeo77

Confusing. Thanks for the clarification.

When Watching Dani de Moron play his super fast Pulgar stuff I also notice he uses very little wrist - especially acending lines.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 11 2019 23:04:27
 
rasqeo77

 

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix

Yeah the wrist movement seems to be very subtle. Personally I think you have to practise both ways - just using the wrist and keeping the thumb fixed and then using just the thumb only. Some people say using just the thumb only is wrong but in my experience it actually improves the alzapua, as well as developing the thumb. In any case, when you play up to speed the hand will naturally use the mechanism needed (in my case a combination of both but as the speed goes up the wrist seems to play a greater role).
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Ricardo

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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to JasonM

To be clear, movement from thumb joint, wrist, and entire arm are used depending on the situation, sometimes more than just one. The wrist action is a little counterintuitive for students, it has to have a bouncy feeling at times and the angle of attack is important, so it gets over emphasized as a thing to practice or focus on. Another detail of alzapua that is missed is as the speed increases, the up stroke gets less and less wide so the chord voicing changes. You may do a full A chord slower, but at fast tempos the up stroke might only catch one or two strings like the 3rd or 4th string, as you tighten and focus the wrist motion.

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