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Ricardo

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RE: Paco de Lucia‘s stage guitars (in reply to orsonw

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ORIGINAL: orsonw

On a related note Felipe Conde has recently 'made' a limited run of reproductions of Paco de Lucia's 1975 guitar.


https://www.flamencoguitarsforsale.net/en/we-present-the-new-model-of-the-felipe-condes-signature-which-pays-a-homage-to-the-maestro-paco-de-lucia/

https://www.flamencoguitarsforsale.net/en/hermanos-conde-guitars/flamenco-guitar-reed-hermanos-conde-1975-3/


The headstock and rosette slightly different but he got the label EXACTLY right!

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conderio

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RE: Paco de Lucia‘s stage guitars (in reply to conderio

I see your point and I agree. 4,5 verses 5 sections (soundhole diameter can be different).
So, I assume they made nearly 2 identical guitars in 1975, same rosette, different side graining. Paco tried both and chose one and Ramon played the other one.
Paco's mutated to the one from Mundo Flamenco - the label must have been exchanged too for some reason - for sure it is not the same. Both 75 seemed to be refinished to a more reddish lacquer later on (Not sure about Ramon's one). Paco's finally ended up in a mutation.
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Ricardo

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RE: Paco de Lucia‘s stage guitars (in reply to conderio

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the label must have been exchanged too for some reason -


It was probably damaged somehow so they used the newer designed label (my 2000 felip v has same lettering but different address) from Gravina and just forged the signature.... just like felipe did with that copy above.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 26 2019 13:33:06
 
sartorius

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RE: Paco de Lucia‘s stage guitars (in reply to orsonw

Reedición of Paco's guitar: a new mustang will never be like the old original one...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 27 2019 8:03:29
 
Ricardo

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RE: Paco de Lucia‘s stage guitars (in reply to sartorius

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ORIGINAL: sartorius

Reedición of Paco's guitar: a new mustang will never be like the old original one...

Yes but if I had that guitar I would beat it up nicely, paint it red, beat it all to hell again, then refinish it in French polish and change the rosette and label!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 27 2019 16:46:12
 
Filip

 

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RE: Paco de Lucia‘s stage guitars (in reply to conderio

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I guess you can say it’s two different instruments at that point.... but with understanding it’s the same body of wood. Like robocop lol.


This question about whether it is the same guitar or not anymore reminds me of this Only Fools and Horses classic (BBC) :D


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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 27 2019 17:32:51
 
Filip

 

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RE: Paco de Lucia‘s stage guitars (in reply to conderio

Hi Conderio,

I was wondering one thing about this beautiful Paco's guitar that you now owe. What is the width* of the neck (or maybe better explained, what is the half-circumference from top to bottom, going around the back side when the thump is placed while playing)?
Also, the width of the body (sides)?

To me looks like the width of a neck is somehow important. I have Jose Ramirez FL1 and I think that the neck is a bit thinner that my first Yamaha classical. Few years ago when I was trying out guitars in Madrid, I found some really nice Condes and I loved the sound, but I thought that the neck was too thick for me.

Cheers

*Or height is maybe a better explanation?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 31 2019 9:34:47
 
conderio

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RE: Paco de Lucia‘s stage guitars (in reply to Filip

Right, many Condes of the 70s & 80s have a thicker neck. This one's neck is 22 mm thick at first fret. I think it's quite comfortable. For sure it is a thinner one - i had older Condes before - there are thicker necks around. At the end it is a matter of taste.

The width of the body is 94 mm at 12th fret.


Best, Ingo
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 31 2019 12:21:10
 
Filip

 

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RE: Paco de Lucia‘s stage guitars (in reply to Ricardo

Thanks Conderio.

I see, there are a lot of small variations from guitar to guitar. I guess when it comes to playing, what matters is getting used to one setting or the other, and maybe size and configuration of the left hand.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 31 2019 14:15:02
 
Ricardo

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RE: Paco de Lucia‘s stage guitars (in reply to orsonw

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In your close up photo the handwritten '1975' does look different. Also it appears that the printed label itself is different? Have a look at the 'Sobrinos de Esteso' line. It doesn't extend as far, the spacing between letters is different. Also look at the word CONDE the 'C' is larger than 'ONDE'. Compared to label of the 1975 guitar at Mundo Flamenco.


Sorry it’s a long dead horse... but I saw this documentary on Facebook, Japan interview 1990 or so, and they got a nice shot of the label. While the label is different... the center strip brace on the back has matching grain lines.... so the guitar back was not ever changed. They literally changed the label for some reason.






In the interview Paco was shocked when the Japanese guy pointed out the guitar was 15 years old. He had a look himself then admitted “oh yeah, this was my brothers guitar. I had a nice guitar but it was stolen from the car”....

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RE: Paco de Lucia‘s stage guitars (in reply to Ricardo

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For a start, the 1968 guitar was his favorite guitar but not the first, it was stolen in 1979 or 80.

I think Paco is playing his stolen Conde 1968 in this video. Look at 2:15-2:30. I wonder where is this guitar now.



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