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XXX
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 RE: Petenera? (in reply to XXX)
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Ok, I think with the bad luck would not be a big problem in germany.
Same compas as Guajiara you mean? I dont know. Ok it has 12 beats, but there are almost only single strokes per beat and no off beats at all. I cant see much in common. Btw I listened to the main compas in the Graf Martinez DVD, which is
12___3___6 7 8 9 10 11
Am - E7 - Am
12__3___6 7 8 9 10 11
G - F - E
I mean its just great. Its so simple, Am-G-F-E, we heard this so often, but in petenera these chords are having a value. Same as Fandangos, but complete different feeling. It sounds neither sad nor happy, its like pure melancholy 
Btw. I have found some (strange) songs that are called peteneras, but I dont know if they are flamenco. They sound more like Latin style, with ... men singing in women octaves 
...Ok now I hear the wedding in there 
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Date Feb. 5 2006 18:32:30
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Paleto
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From: San Diego, CA
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RE: Petenera? (in reply to XXX)
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From Andrés Batista's book: Manual Flamenco:
Peteneras - There are various hypotheses as to origin of Peteneras.
1 That it bore some resemblance to "Punto de la Habana" and appeared in the port of Cádiz in a flamencofied form.
2 That it was a ritual or religious chant from synagogues of the Sephardic Jews.
3 That it was first sung by a beautiful flamenco cantaora from the villagge of Paterna (in the province of either Cádiz or Almería), who would thus be known as the "Paternera". With the passing of time "Paternera" has become corrupted into "Petenera".
Musically, it seems to be related to some "Villanescas" of the 16th century, although it also shows signs of similarity with the melodies of "Paño Moruno".
Peteneras exist in different varieties: "Antigua", "Moderna", "Corta", "Larga", but all of them display the same melancholic lyricism.
It was Pastora Pavón "La Niña de los Peines" who first popularized this style, to which she added various features and nuances of her own.
The time signature is 6/8, 3/4, the key minor finishing on the dominant (Dorian mode) with combinations of major chords.
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Date Feb. 6 2006 12:48:33
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John O.
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From: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany
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RE: Petenera? (in reply to XXX)
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quote:
I cant see much in common.
Depends on how you look at it. Petenera is from the Soleá family and Guajira is originally Latin American. Interesting though is they're both played accented the same
Guajira E7x3, E7x3, Ax2, Ax2, Ax2, E7x3, E7x3, Ax2, Ax2, Ax2
Penetera Dmx3, Amx3, Dmx2, Dmx2, Dmx2, Cx3, A#x3, Amx2, Amx2, Amx2
You could say Bulería, Soleá, Alegría, even Seguiriya (although starting on the 8) are the same and technically be right.
John
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Date Feb. 9 2006 12:51:27
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