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jg7238

 

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Section of "Derecho Viejo" 

Looking at part of this tango arrangement by Cacho Tirao..

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RE: Section of "Derecho Viejo" (in reply to jg7238

Wow, nice work; also Cacho Tirao's arrangements are awesome!

Just a little comment, as I was immersed in argentine tango for quite a while previously. I feel like the rubato in a couple of places does not fit well with this tango - it wants to be very rhythmical and straight/tight. Maybe it is me listening to D'Arienzo's orchestra's 1948 version so much (one of the more famous interpretations of this tango)... here it is - your section starts at about 1:50.

I also just discovered that you posted La Cumparsita arranged by Cacho Tirao as well. Amazing playing! Inspires me to start learning some tangos arranged like these.

Another general note: All Argentine tangos (specifically tangos, as opposed to milongas or valses) after about 1920 are played straight (before that they were played and written with a rhythmic pattern of dotted eighth-sixteenth, eighth-eighth - most notable in the bass line). However piano arrangements sheet music still feature the dotted eighth-sixteenth, eighth-eighth pattern - mostly because so many of the famous tangos were written before 1920. Cacho Tirao does the arrangements properly, as they are now played: eighth-eighth-eighth-eighth (if in 2/4), or , equivalently, quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter (if in 4/4) - i.e. "straight" rhythmic pattern.

Musicians in dedicated tango orchestras know this, so even if they play prima vista from the old piano arrangements sheet music, they will 'straighten' the tango as they play it. Classical orchestra musicians, however, typically play it as they see it written. It was very annoying to go to 'live tango music' events with impromptu ensembles and hear them play famous tangos WWI-era style :-)

Unfortunately the pre-1920 rhythmic pattern got fossilized in the classical guitar literature, so anything there that is called a "tango" would inevitably have the dotted eighth-sixteenth, eighth-eighth pattern.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 8 2017 6:35:53
 
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RE: Section of "Derecho Viejo" (in reply to kitarist

Thanks for that great piece of information kitarist! I definitely agree on using less rubato. What a fantastic rendition by D'Arienzo's orchestra. I think I've heard it before though. Thanks again.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 8 2017 17:19:58
 
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RE: Section of "Derecho Viejo" (in reply to jg7238

I just found out Cacho Tirao was one of Piazzolla's guitarists. How did I not know this .

P.S. I know it is an off-flamenco topic but I figure since you already sullied the forum by introducing the thread, I can just post another post in here

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RE: Section of "Derecho Viejo" (in reply to jg7238

Esa, Juanito!

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RE: Section of "Derecho Viejo" (in reply to rombsix

Thanks Ramzi!
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