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RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring
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BarkellWH
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Vicente is right up there with PDL, Sabicas, and especially Antonio Rey. Of course, it's hard to compare anyone to Sabicas or PDL because they were "the all" of flamenco guitar at their time. But if anyone has carried Paco's torch of continuing extreme fusions with other genres, then Vicente is it. He does it with taste and grace. Calling those experiments and fusions "elevator music" is quite closed minded IMO. What would flamenco be if Paco hadn't experimented and fused musical genres?
I no doubt overstated my case when I referred to it as "elevator music," Shroomy. I take that phrase back. Nevertheless, I stand by my overall rating of Vicente. I do not consider him as great a force in flamenco as Sabicas and Paco de Lucia were in there respective eras. Compared to past greats, I consider Vicente second tier. I'm not saying he's bad; just that he does not come up to their level, in my opinion.
Regarding "fusion," I have stated here before and I will state it again, I am not a great fan of fusion, either in music or food! I began to lose interest in PDL when he added a bass guitar and a harmonica to his group. I know, I know, it was still flamenco, but it was not a flamenco that appealed to me. Over the last several years, there have been attempts at "fusion" of various cuisines, such as Latin American (usually Mexican or Salvadoran) and Chinese. In Arlington, Virginia (near Washington, DC) a few years ago there was even a restaurant that billed itself as featuring Bolivian and Chinese cuisine! Having tried several of these attempts at "fusion," my conclusion is that it more often than not results in a mediocre product, diminishing the best of both cuisines.
Such "fusion" in music can result in interesting combinations, but it can result in mediocrity as well. I think the attempts at "fusion flamenco" result in the latter. But that is just my opinion for what it is worth. And what it is worth probably would not buy you a cup of coffee and a croissant.
In any case, let's see what he comes up with on his latest album this spring. Perhaps it will change my mind. Or perhaps he will disappoint his most ardent admirers (admittedly, not likely). We'll just have to see what he does with it.
Bill
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Date Jan. 14 2016 13:28:41
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BarkellWH
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RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (in reply to Guest)
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You can have that opinion but only if you've actually listened (and given it an honest try) to most of Vicente's discography. If you haven't, you are giving a premature opinion. I doubt that you have, if you are stating this opinion.
I respect your opinion of Vicente, Shroomy, but the logical fallacy in your statement quoted above is its implication that if I don't consider Vicente top tier along with PDL, Sabicas, and other greats of the past, and more importantly, if I don't share your level of appreciation for him, by definition I must not have listened to much of Vicente's discography. In other words, to disagree with your assessment is to indicate a lack of appreciation and understanding of the subject under consideration. If you wish to cling to that fallacy that is your choice, but I assure you you are wrong.
Bill
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And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date Jan. 14 2016 20:07:25
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BarkellWH
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If you like Sabicas, if you like PDL, if you like Manolo Sanlucar, if you like Antonio Rey, if you like Camaron, if you like etc. then I don't see why you wouldn't like him.
Shroomy, I did not say I didn't like him. I said that I do not consider him in the same top category as most of those you mentioned above. I can still listen to him and enjoy him, just as I attend performances by Paco Pena and enjoy him, although I don't consider Paco Pena in the same top tier as Sabicas and PDL either. Nevertheless, I do favor Paco Pena's more traditional approach. I began to lose interest in Paco de Lucia, however, when he added basses and harmonicas to his group. It may be odd, but there it is.
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
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