Foro Flamenco


Posts Since Last Visit | Advanced Search | Home | Register | Login

Today's Posts | Inbox | Profile | Our Rules | Contact Admin | Log Out



Welcome to one of the most active flamenco sites on the Internet. Guests can read most posts but if you want to participate click here to register.

This site is dedicated to the memory of Paco de Lucía, Ron Mitchell, Guy Williams, Linda Elvira, Philip John Lee, Craig Eros, Ben Woods, David Serva and Tom Blackshear who went ahead of us.

We receive 12,200 visitors a month from 200 countries and 1.7 million page impressions a year. To advertise on this site please contact us.

Update cookies preferences




regions in Spain where flamenco culture is still popular   You are logged in as Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >>Discussions >>General >> Page: [1] 2    >   >>
Login
Message<< Newer Topic  Older Topic >>
 
rafapak

 

Posts: 299
Joined: Aug. 9 2015
 

regions in Spain where flamenco cult... 

hi

since I am new to flamenco music I would like to ask in what regions of Spain flamenco is still played and flamenco culture is popular ?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 29 2015 22:10:16
 
El Kiko

Posts: 2697
Joined: Jun. 7 2010
From: The South Ireland

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

Andalucia

_____________________________

Don't trust Atoms.....they make up everything.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 29 2015 23:53:26
 
Leñador

Posts: 5237
Joined: Jun. 8 2012
From: Los Angeles

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

Well, nowhere really. There are places where it's more popular but not just popular.
It's Andalusian music so it's more popular there than anywhere else.........I think it's time for you to start doing a lil research on the subject, learn what it really is instead of what you think it should be......

_____________________________

\m/
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2015 17:03:37
 
Dudnote

Posts: 1805
Joined: Nov. 13 2007
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to Leñador

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leñador
...time for you to start doing a lil research on the subject...

Here's a little history with a focus on Morón de le Frontera...


_____________________________

Ay compañerita de mi alma
tú ahora no me conoces.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2015 18:46:35
 
rafapak

 

Posts: 299
Joined: Aug. 9 2015
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

thanks for replies and for youtube link !
Do you know guys what is economic situation in Andalucia these days? Do people struggle to get jobs ? Is there high unemployment rate?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2015 18:46:54
 
Dudnote

Posts: 1805
Joined: Nov. 13 2007
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

People bitch about there being no tragedy to inspire cantaors these days - but life isn't a bed of roses when there is 34% unemployment. I suspect cultural change and not a lack of poverty is really the issue with that one

Andalusia is worst region in EU for unemployment
http://www.thelocal.es/20150422/andalusia-worst-for-unemployment-in-eu

_____________________________

Ay compañerita de mi alma
tú ahora no me conoces.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2015 19:05:24
 
Dudnote

Posts: 1805
Joined: Nov. 13 2007
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

Rafapak, if I remember right you're in Manchester right? If you go to the Institute Cervantes they have a small library with flamenco CDs. You should check out what they have.

http://manchester.cervantes.es/en/library_spanish/library_general_information.htm

enjoy the journey!!

_____________________________

Ay compañerita de mi alma
tú ahora no me conoces.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2015 19:18:13
 
rafapak

 

Posts: 299
Joined: Aug. 9 2015
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to Dudnote

yes, I noticed it recently when I was on my way to Forsyths. It is on the same street. I will go and chat with them.

Probably brutal truth is that richer regions or richer towns all over the world and in Europe are musical deserts where nobody plays any instrument or doesn't sing etc because people are busy spending money on different kind of stuff there and are not interested in music etc. Probably if money was available for spending in Andalucia people wouldn't play or sing flamenco too there. Anyway, no matter what the reason is I am happy to hear that people still play or sing flamenco in Andalucia.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2015 19:29:08
 
Dudnote

Posts: 1805
Joined: Nov. 13 2007
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

Some flamenco from Triana...


_____________________________

Ay compañerita de mi alma
tú ahora no me conoces.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2015 19:31:59
 
johnnefastis

Posts: 633
Joined: Jan. 10 2012
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

Andalucia, Madrid, or you could just come to this in Manchester :)
I think there are a couple of places left, you would no doubt meet and
play with a few people from here.

Cheers



Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Attachment (1)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2015 19:42:31
 
Leñador

Posts: 5237
Joined: Jun. 8 2012
From: Los Angeles

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

Bingo!
You're actually in a great area for flamenco already. I envy the supportive scene they have out there.

_____________________________

\m/
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 30 2015 21:12:39
 
El Kiko

Posts: 2697
Joined: Jun. 7 2010
From: The South Ireland

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

quote:

Is there high unemployment rate?

there has always been high unemployment in Andalucia ..its mainly agricultural , in all the years i was there work was hard to find and very sporadic and seasonal ...
work in a bar/cafe as a waiter ... usually plenty of that ....

_____________________________

Don't trust Atoms.....they make up everything.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 31 2015 8:39:00
 
andaloosia

 

Posts: 2
Joined: Sep. 1 2015
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

If you speak English and have good IT skills you can live in Andalucia and earn very high salaries because Cadiz is bordered with Gibraltar. Earning £50k living in Andalucia gives you a very high standard of living. Or if you are young and want to work in customer service or something. A massive amount of cash flows in to Andalucia from Spanish people working for UK companies in Gibraltar. It's all very contentious though.

Flamenco follows the money to some extent. There is a lot to be seen in rich places like Madrid. Granada is a massive tourist draw. Jerez doesn't have as much as some might think.

There is money in Malaga, Marbella, Granada and Sevilla. It's kind of romantic to foreigners and flamenco fans but some of it is a bit grim.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 2 2015 8:14:52
 
rafapak

 

Posts: 299
Joined: Aug. 9 2015
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

quote:

There is money in Malaga, Marbella, Granada and Sevilla. It's kind of romantic to foreigners and flamenco fans but some of it is a bit grim.


thanks for replies , what do you mean when you say that some of it is a bit grim?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 2 2015 17:42:42
 
gbramer

 

Posts: 15
Joined: Jun. 5 2014
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

It's a real place, not a fantasy.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 2 2015 18:14:21
 
rafapak

 

Posts: 299
Joined: Aug. 9 2015
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

I get it.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 2 2015 18:19:26
 
Leñador

Posts: 5237
Joined: Jun. 8 2012
From: Los Angeles

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

A real broke place lol

_____________________________

\m/
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 2 2015 23:03:23
 
mark74

Posts: 690
Joined: Jan. 26 2011
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

I think its about to become more broke as the communist Podemos Party is taking over Andalucia

_____________________________

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 3 2015 19:04:22
 
mark74

Posts: 690
Joined: Jan. 26 2011
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to Leñador

quote:

Well, nowhere really. There are places where it's more popular but not just popular.
It's Andalusian music so it's more popular there than anywhere else.........I think it's time for you to start doing a lil research on the subject, learn what it really is instead of what you think it should be......
Seems like its still got a lot of presence in Seville and Granada, but thats just the impression I get from the States.

I've always wondered whether Barcelona has a bigger scene than Madrid. I guess it doesn't matter as they're probably comparable.

_____________________________

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 3 2015 19:07:49
 
Leñador

Posts: 5237
Joined: Jun. 8 2012
From: Los Angeles

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

I don't know about Granada but when I was in Sevilla if I tried to talk about flamenco with random people at the bar or bartenders they didn't know much or want to talk about it. Sure there is flyers for tablaos all over but "the daily spaniard" didn't seem to know or care. Or they'd pretend to know when they realized you knew more they'd recant And say they really don't know.

_____________________________

\m/
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 3 2015 21:51:35
 
Nito

Posts: 77
Joined: Sep. 3 2015
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

Hi guys,

In my opinion, Madrid/Sevilla is still the center of flamenco.

Years ago, Madrid was the center of flamenco without doubt . The flamenco people from Andalucia went to live to Madrid, but from 1992 with the high velocity train from Sevilla to Madrid the people back home and travel to Madrid.

From my point of view the best place is Cadiz province. Jerez de la Frontera and Cadiz city. Without doubt.

In the other hand, flamenco in Spain is for a "big minority".


Greetings

_____________________________

7 8 9 10 1 2
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 4 2015 6:17:51
 
Morante

 

Posts: 2247
Joined: Nov. 21 2010
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to mark74

quote:


I think its about to become more broke as the communist Podemos Party is taking over Andalucia


This is not a political forum and Podemos is not a communist party.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 4 2015 8:36:37
 
andaloosia

 

Posts: 2
Joined: Sep. 1 2015
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to Leñador

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leñador
if I tried to talk about flamenco with random people at the bar or bartenders they didn't know much or want to talk about it


For the vast majority this is undoubtedly true. Basically zero interest.

Everyday examples I come across that are not paid shows or feria fairs:

* A neighbour of mine a few doors down does sing and play solea sometimes
* Women waiting around or queuing will do palmas seemingly out of habit.
* Flamenco radio shows/stations seem to come and go when travelling and searching on the car radio.

Lots of dodgy things go on around the far south. There's a massive black economy. Smuggling is a huge deal. Guardia Civil love a pump action shotgun road block looking for hash being smuggled from Morroco. Helicopters crash with 1 ton of drugs on board etc.

Some gitanos are horse breeders and you see them on ropes tied up on grass around towns etc.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 4 2015 16:09:07
 
mark indigo

 

Posts: 3626
Joined: Dec. 5 2007
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to Leñador

quote:

if I tried to talk about flamenco with random people at the bar or bartenders they didn't know much or want to talk about it.


I've had eye rolling and comments about "musica de abuelos" from a barman when mentioning flamenco - but then said he preferred Louis Armstrong - which is like the music of my Grandparents!

_____________________________

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 4 2015 21:17:25
 
Leñador

Posts: 5237
Joined: Jun. 8 2012
From: Los Angeles

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

Yup! Same thing for me.
All the youth in the bars listen to regeaton, some rockers, but mostly regeaton, EDM and pop. When I wasn't doing "flamenco things" I just hung out with the rocker kids I met.




_____________________________

\m/
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 4 2015 22:15:12
 
BarkellWH

Posts: 3467
Joined: Jul. 12 2009
From: Washington, DC

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to Morante

quote:

Podemos is not a communist party.


True. It is, however, a very left-wing populist party.

Bill

_____________________________

And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."

--Rudyard Kipling
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 4 2015 23:14:51
 
estebanana

Posts: 9466
Joined: Oct. 16 2009
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

Go to Cadiz and get Morante roaring drunk for two days and he will likely find some flamenco.

If I had money, time to waste and a trip to Spain was in order, that is what I would do. Then to Jerez, ad that funey place Ricardo goes..San..lu, Barra...barra..a bar, yes that is it a bar. He goes to a bar. Then try Sevilla, Moron, Lebrija and Utrera.

Regaeton sucks, it's the only music I truly hate. Horrid, horrid stuff.

_____________________________

https://www.stephenfaulkguitars.com
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 5 2015 1:03:14
 
Escribano

Posts: 6440
Joined: Jul. 6 2003
From: England, living in Italy

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to andaloosia

quote:

Guardia Civil love a pump action shotgun road block looking for hash being smuggled from Morroco.


Got stopped by them a couple of times at night in the hills between Granada and the coast. The drug runners use those rat runs apparently.

_____________________________

Foro Flamenco founder and Admin
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 5 2015 8:16:48
 
tele

Posts: 1469
Joined: Aug. 17 2012
 

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak

To me it seems there's most flamenco in sevilla and granada. There's also quite a bit of concerts in cordoba but less classes etc.

_____________________________

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 5 2015 10:59:23
 
El Kiko

Posts: 2697
Joined: Jun. 7 2010
From: The South Ireland

RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to tele

Honestly I prefer the flamenco in the smaller pueblos and places around outside of the cities...

yes ,you will get less,... but the people have much more time for you , and you will fit into the way of life .. not just the music , but the life that inspires the music ..

not suggesting that you you do this .. but i worked in the seasonal country work there is ..like uvas , aceitunas , ajo .. etc .. and you will find a lot of flamenco going on ....
for no particular reason ...just cos it is ....
you working then , for some reason , there is singing and palmas happening .. fun and changing the words around for a laugh ..
sure you can go to a bar later and get a guitar out ...
but if there is such a thing as real flamenco , the peoples music .. thats what it is ... to me ...rather than a big polished spectacle coming to town , and all big name people ...

just some locals , singing , dancing , eating have a bit of fun and repeating the songs that their parents sang in the same way ... keeping tradition alive ..

I much prefer that ... but thats just me ...

_____________________________

Don't trust Atoms.....they make up everything.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 5 2015 12:30:50
Page:   [1] 2    >   >>
All Forums >>Discussions >>General >> Page: [1] 2    >   >>
Jump to:

New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software powered by ASP Playground Advanced Edition 2.0.5
Copyright © 2000 - 2003 ASPPlayground.NET

7.885742E-02 secs.