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Miguel de Maria
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Joined: Oct. 20 2003
From: Phoenix, AZ
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 RE: Zapateado en Re (in reply to Patrick)
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I don't know, transcribing doens't impress me that much. There are a limited number of patterns that you hear in flamenco... it's kind of like, I don't think Simon would be that impressed if some rock guy played a rock song. Wow, where did you get the tab for that? T?he difference is that Simon knows rock and has listened to it a lot. That and rock is a lot simpler than flamenco! Wait, I think I'm hurting my point now.
But yeah, TK's control of the guitar is borderline world class. You have a guy here who has mastered the technique of playing the guitar and has a very strong sense of music. I do have three, perhaps minor, beefs about the clip.
1. the production...whatever effects he has on his guitar, I don't like it. It seems to smooth the sound so much that it gives me this MIDI effect. I am the only person who hears that?
2. I'm sorry Todd, but when I hear flamenco, I want to hear fingers! It just doesn't sound the same... I don't care how good a trumpet player is, he can't make his instrument sound like a french horn. That takes absolutely nothing away from his achievement.
3. TK's a lot better than I'll ever probably be, but I do not hear world class when I hear him. I hear top-level studio type musician, which to me is different than a top-quality concert performer. A bit more artisan than artist... but of course this is a highly subjective comment. Does anyone else hear this?
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Date Sep. 30 2003 18:21:42
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Ron.M
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Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Scotland
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RE: Zapateado en Re (in reply to Jon Boyes)
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Jon,
I would agree with you. Todd is a pretty exraordinary talent.
Maybe talent is a much used word, but he certainly puts the time into his music and guitar work... and you can hear the results!
I think this "studio isolation" way of thinking of Todd's is not really doing him any good.
I've told him about this, but hey.. we're all grown ups now, so it's his choice.
I think that ol' Todd has gone down the Flamenco Puro path for so long now, (for that's what he loves most), that he's learned enough over the years about the culture amongst the aficionados now, to think that somehow he's second rate because of his technique.
I think this is what adds a lot to his defensive and sometimes egotistical and derogatory posts, which, if you think of it, is only the flip side of the coin.
Todd could do himself a favour by at least having a month away from Anaplolis and see a bit of the World.
As you know he plays various styles from Bluegrass to Jazz, and yes Flamenco.
I feel if Todd could only see himself in the same way as say, Antonio Forcione...(who doesn't give a **** about labels and styles, he just plays what he feels like), he would be a lot happier bunny.
I wish Todd would realize that his playing is excellent, probably World Class, certainly extremely professional, and get involved with playing guitar for a paying public rather than getting hung up on a mission to convince the "puros" that he's "kosher".
I think once Todd realizes that fact, that he can provide a good evening's guitar entertainment to guitar aficionados, not just flamenco aficionados, he'll have a lot better time and be a lot less poor.
cheers
Ron
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Date Sep. 30 2003 21:09:06
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Jon Boyes
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Joined: Jul. 10 2003
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RE: Zapateado en Re (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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ORIGINAL: Michael W Cho
1. the production...whatever effects he has on his guitar, I don't like it. It seems to smooth the sound so much that it gives me this MIDI effect. I am the only person who hears that?
2. I'm sorry Todd, but when I hear flamenco, I want to hear fingers! It just doesn't sound the same... I don't care how good a trumpet player is, he can't make his instrument sound like a french horn. That takes absolutely nothing away from his achievement.
3. TK's a lot better than I'll ever probably be, but I do not hear world class when I hear him. I hear top-level studio type musician, which to me is different than a top-quality concert performer. A bit more artisan than artist... but of course this is a highly subjective comment. Does anyone else hear this?
1. That's compression, Michael. I listened to the piece in Cool Edit and it was immediately visible (from the waveform). If you record a lot of nylon strung guitar you can see when something has been heavily compressed. All the peaks are rounded off and smoothed, which makes the recording less dynamic and spiky.
TK says he added a 'little' compression to it, but of course what one person hears as 'a little', another hears as 'a lot'.
He also said he's running his mic through a limiter, which again can be problematic if overdone.
Todd is a far more experienced studio technician than me, but it just goes to show how subjective certain aspects of production are.
2. I know what you mean about the sound of fingers, I certainly prefer it in flamenco and no doubt I would like Todd's stuff even more if he played that way, but to my ears even with a pick his material sounds far superior to some famous flamenco players I could mention.
(...and come to think of it, you might agree with me given what you've said in the past about at least one of them!)
3. I think I know what you mean. He would probably certainly make a great session musician -he is very versatile.
The only thing I'd say here is that I think he needs to spend less time learning note-for-note virtuoso pieces to impress his peers/gain recognition whatever, and more time actually developing his own voice and style with the guitar.
..and hopefully sort those 'issues' out.
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Date Oct. 1 2003 11:56:35
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Jerzy
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Joined: Jul. 13 2003
From: Mexico City
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RE: Zapateado en Re (in reply to Patrick)
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Hi guys and gals!!
Sorry for not postng to much, but you know, I don't have enough spare time.
I had a chance to hear "Zapateado en Re" at the borneo CG forum from TK and the new stuff he showed at FT. What I wonder is when does he realy works? how does he make his living?, or just when deos he uses his recording studio for others, which is why hi has it?
I hardly have a chance to write and comment things on the forum; having to take care of my responsabilities on my 12 hrs job  (THANKS GOD I have it this hard days  !!); take care of the family and play guitar.
IMO Todd, even that he is an acomplished very good ear to make up things, he is limited on his playing, technically he can not do alzapuas very often, or in zapateado he skip all the tremolo part, also in the Manolo Sanlucar guajira he didn't put it.
When I try to transcribe a piece, I work at my last effort to make true to the original  (classical guitar aproach if you like) and from all the clips that he posted on FT and other forums, he always skips the parts that technically can not do with the pick.
Just my observation, but franckly one thing I envy him a lot, is all his spare time to come up with all the things he records. But then again, I've been trying to go out to public more often than I used before, becouse then, all that I -and all of us- do with our work on the guitar is almost useless if we not share it to other persons, trying to move their feelings as well, or to grant some relaxation from their normal day to day activities.
Well my thoughts on this and very have big abrazo to all!!
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Jerzy
http://www.youtube.com/jerzyskoryna
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Date Oct. 15 2003 3:44:49
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Jon Boyes
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Joined: Jul. 10 2003
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RE: Zapateado en Re (in reply to Patrick)
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Jerzy - great to hear from you again.
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ORIGINAL: Jerzy
I had a chance to hear "Zapateado en Re" at the borneo CG forum from TK and the new stuff he showed at FT. What I wonder is when does he realy works? how does he make his living?, or just when deos he uses his recording studio for others, which is why hi has it?
As I understand it, Todd is a studio technician - that IS his living. He seems to be able to work as many hours as he wants (obviously no family to support, no mortgage etc.) and chooses to work very little, so he can devote the maximum time to guitar study. At least, this is what I've picked up from what he's said. I am unclear on how often he actually plays in public.
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I hardly have a chance to write and comment things on the forum; having to take care of my responsabilities on my 12 hrs job (THANKS GOD I have it this hard days !!); take care of the family and play guitar.
Jerzy, I know exactly where you are coming from - I work as a musician as well as having a day job and the family. Its tough, and the time I now have to sit down and practice/study properly, or just play for enjoyment, is practically nil, when I used to be doing about two hours a day guitar study.
That's not to say I don't enioy what I do, I love it. I am sitting here in an office having just had five hours sleep after last nights gig', but I wouldnt want it any other way.
(..er except maybe doing the guitar thing all the time :-)
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IMO Todd, even that he is an accomplished very good ear to make up things, he is limited on his playing, technically he can not do alzapuas very often, or in zapateado he skip all the tremolo part, also in the Manolo Sanlucar guajira he didn't put it.
That's true, but even amongst the great players I hear techniques that are sloppy, or some that they seem to steer clear of. I have a Paco Del Gastor album which shows a very weak, sloppy tremolo, for example. (Bad example I know, given that tremolo is not that important, but hopefully you get my point.) Also, is it me or is Alzapua less fashionable amongst contemporary players these days, at least in solo guitar?
I think its natural to work to your strengths. We can't all be Paco :-)
Hope you find time to post some more, Jerzy, and I wish you could make your sound clips available on your website in mp3 - the standard for Internet audio - as I can't access them at the moment. It seems I need a special type of browser decoder or something. It would be great to hear you play that PDL material.
Jon
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Date Oct. 15 2003 11:58:18
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