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Leñador

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Farruca Challenge??? 

I'm proposing/volunteering to organize a challenge. The forum could use a little constructive energy focus right now. Unless I'm seriously out voted I think farruca should be fun. It can be played libre or a compas has a pretty easy key to play around with and we've not done farruca before. Rules would be simaler to previous and skill level categories would depend on amount of entries. Whatcha guys think?? I was kinda thinking SXB too but I feel like a lot of beginners wouldn't join that....

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rombsix

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

I can't take part unfortunately due to work but here is some inspiration.



Cheers!

By the way, I never knew that Paco Pena does picado using index & anular/ring finger rather than the more common i-m pattern.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 7 2014 23:13:35
 
El Kiko

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

I know a challenge is coming ... i can smell it ..like when its going to rain here....i thought it was going o be a Bulerias compass challenge...but maybe not ... farruca is good ... go for it .... its tricky work to sort out ...as you know ...
I am a back seat , watcher now .. but moral support you have ...........

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 8 2014 0:49:27
 
Andy Culpepper

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

I think we should do a guitar making challenge
Just kidding.
I haven't participated in a challenge in a while but Farruca doesn't inspire me much.
It would be cool to see another composition challenge some day.

Now how should I use my 2,000th post...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 8 2014 1:06:32
 
Leñador

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

quote:

Now how should I use my 2,000th post...

"I'd love to join your challenge Kasey!"


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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 8 2014 2:29:33
 
shaun

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

I need to test the healing progress in my hand so whatever the challenge is, I'm in. Farruca sounds like fun.
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athrane77

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

mmh.
I think Bulería de Jerez would be more fun
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Bulerias2005

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

Sure, I'd participate!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 8 2014 18:54:28
 
Lorenzo714

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

Count me in for a Farruca Challenge! I need to learn the palo better along with some falsetas.

Also who is organizing this challenge & what are the rules etc.....



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 8 2014 20:28:27
 
Leñador

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

quote:

mmh.
I think Bulería de Jerez would be more fun

Says the dude who's spending his entire summer in Jerez. Lol

Awesome Daniel!

Great Lorenzo, I'll organize it, this thread was to just kinda throw the idea out there to see how people respond. If we get enough people we can make it happen.

I was thinking to have pre-set volunteered judges who are not contestants too.....

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 8 2014 20:48:19
 
Lorenzo714

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to El Kiko

Kiko what this about being a back seat driver....?

Where your spirit of competition?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 9 2014 2:48:38
 
El Kiko

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Lorenzo714

thats just because i was in on organizing the last few challenges , including one that someone else started and i had to step and finish for them , not too happy about that , however .. and the last one i did entirely myself ...
So i thought i could not be involved this time , hence take a back seat ,,


edit , got to admit i like doing spreadsheets though........

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 9 2014 15:19:53
 
Ramon Amira

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

quote:

It can be played libre or a compas


Farruca is never played libre.

Ramon

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 9 2014 17:47:13
 
Bulerias2005

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Ramon Amira

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ramon Amira

quote:

It can be played libre or a compas


Farruca is never played libre.

Ramon

Ramon, I'm guessing Kasey meant something along these lines:

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 9 2014 17:51:11
 
athrane77

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

When you don't play for dancers it's very rubato. Same thing with singers... Like siguiriyas. I was nearly killed because I played to straight for a singer. It destroyed everything.
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Leñador

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

quote:

Ramon, I'm guessing Kasey meant something along these lines:

Exactamente! Thanks!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 9 2014 17:57:51
 
Ramon Amira

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

Farruca is a rhythmic palo, and in fact of all the rhythmic palos has the strongest and most marked compas. Sure, you can do whatever you want - it's a free country. You can play a Strauss waltz and call it Granadinas. Nobody can stop you. But that doesn't make it Granadinaas. So as I said, it's a free country. You can play Farruca libre if you want to. But if you do you're out of compas.

Ramon

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 9 2014 18:57:20
 
Leñador

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

quote:

and in fact of all the rhythmic palos has the strongest and most marked compas

More then Tangos or Bulerias?

quote:

You can play Farruca libre if you want to. But if you do you're out of compas.

So Pedro Sierra was out of compas in that video?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 9 2014 18:59:43
 
Ramon Amira

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

quote:

quote:

and in fact of all the rhythmic palos has the strongest and most marked compas

More then Tangos or Bulerias?

quote:

You can play Farruca libre if you want to. But if you do you're out of compas.

So Pedro Sierra was out of compas in that video?



Yes and Yes.

Ramon

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 9 2014 19:12:35
 
Leñador

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

Alright well, it doesn't look like the challenge has got much traction. Thanks to everyone who showed some interest.
I'm thinking maybe I've gotta come up with something more creative, maybe not a competition but a collaboration……..I dunno, I'll throw some ideas out, feel free to contribute your own ideas, I'll still be the legs behind it.

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Ricardo

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Ramon Amira

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ramon Amira

quote:

quote:

and in fact of all the rhythmic palos has the strongest and most marked compas

More then Tangos or Bulerias?

quote:

You can play Farruca libre if you want to. But if you do you're out of compas.

So Pedro Sierra was out of compas in that video?



Yes and Yes.

Ramon





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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 10 2014 6:46:10
 
El Kiko

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

well the first bulerias compas idea wasn't too bad ...
However for a challenge , maybe it could be a "write your own falseta "' challenge.... if all the falsetas were in the same key and palo it would make a complete tune maybe...

Or they would if they were all sevillanas ,,, then one could just pick and choose the best 4 to make a complete tune ... however not many people like Sevillanas that much except me ...

so maybe write your own .,,Solea por Bulerias ..(Fandango de Huelva? )falseta ... maybe ... dunno ...

but it might be a good time to encourage people to compose a bit more as it means a lot of listening to understand more the palo and what people are doing with it .. etc.........

discuss and refute .......

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Leñador

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

I think your on to something here Kiko……Fandangos might be kinda cool…..all same key all same temp and crop em all together lol……..maybe…..

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Ramon Amira

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Ricardo

Maybe it's a question of semantics. Some say that if you are not in compas all the way through, then you're out of compas, even though you may be in most of the time. He is in compas most of the time, but out of compas in some places, so some would consider that being "out of compas."

Ramon

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 10 2014 14:40:31
 
Morante

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

quote:

So Pedro Sierra was out of compas in that video?


What he played wasnt even flamenco

Farruca is a "palo" aflamencado" de poca monta from Galicia. Always with compá and usually for masculino baile (see Gades).

Of course you can make a mierda of anything you like but dont call it flamenco.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 10 2014 17:17:39
 
athrane77

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

Morante, I only understand a little spanish. What means "compá"?
Like field?
Mmh, no that was campo, I think..
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 10 2014 17:47:45
 
Leñador

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

Fair 'nuff Morante

Actually this all gives me an idea.

Fakemenco challenge!!!

Make anything you want but it must sound Spanishy and it CAN NOT be in compas!
Eh?????


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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 10 2014 18:13:20
 
athrane77

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

I never met someone saying Farruca is not flamenco. I had to accompany a maestro dancer from Jerez por Farruca several times.
So would you say he don't know anything about flamenco Sean?
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Morante

 

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Morante

This is the original letra:

Una farruca en Galicia
amargamente lloraba
porque a la farruca
se le había muerto el farruco
que la gaita le tocaba”

En Andalucía se llamaba "farrucos" a los gallegos inmigrados que allí llegaron en busca de trabajo.

It is though to be an invention of Ramón Montoya and Faíco, bailaor gaditano.

Aflamencado y con compás.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 10 2014 19:12:33
 
El Kiko

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RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Leñador

quote:

Make anything you want but it must sound Spanishy and it CAN NOT be in compas!


thats me ... I've already won . ....spent my whole life playing stuff that kinda sound spanish but isnt and is well out of compas ...

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