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estebanana

 

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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to Ruphus

What is the difference between a violist and a prostitute? (two answers)
1. The prostitute has a better sense of rhythm, and at least knows
all the positions …


2. Prostitutes have a useful purpose in life …
What is the similarity between a violist and a prostitute?
Both are paid to fake climaxes …

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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to estebanana

What do a Scud missile and a viola player have in common?
They're both offensive and inaccurate …


A client enters a shop and says:
“It’s the first time that I’ve ever seen a shop specializing jointly in string
instruments and arms”
“Ah” we’ve just got accustomed to the fact that it’s quite often that someone buys
a viola, and then just a few days later a neighbor comes in and buys a pistol” … !




What's the difference between a violist and a terrorist?
A terrorist has sympathizers …



By the way, as an additional anecdote:
What's the difference between a terrorist and a soprano?
You can negotiate with a terrorist …

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 31 2014 18:39:21
 
estebanana

 

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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to estebanana

What's the usual line-up of a string quartet?
A good violinist, a bad violinist, a failed violinist (viola player),
together with someone who hates violinists …





A string quartet went to play an engagement at a new year’s party – the event
went pretty well, and the organizer immediately came by afterwards and offered
the same date the following year. Before anyone could respond the viola player
popped out:
“Would you have somewhere safe to leave my viola?” …




Definition of a gentleman:
A man who knows how to play the viola ... but doesn't …


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The following are guitar maker jokes standing in as viola player jokes:

How does a professional viola player make his car faster?
Take the Dominos' Pizza sign off the roof …



How do you get rid of a viola player at your front door?
Pay for the pizza …



What does a Viola player say when he gets to his deputizing gig?
"Would you like fries with that, sir?" …

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 31 2014 18:47:53
 
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to estebanana

These are really good, so much better than the ones I had found.

Asides: That joke with the guns & stringed selling shop ...
I got really off once about a frigidly noodling and stunningly reckless Korean violinist. That made me discover about the quality of modern German doors and windows. ( After all praised by the German Chanceller Merkel as "The best in the world", mind you.) The door proved completely immune against heaviest strikes, and even the window glass after repelling empty bottles would just as stoically reject wine bottles filled with water.
They would simply bounce of like from a diaphragm.
Think I must have appeared rather flabbergasted.

Turned out it was the nagger´s last day. It was only his last dedicated gig for me at 7:00 am on a Sunday morning. He had already moved stuff and wasn´t seen again.

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RE: keep calm about the rich and tel... (in reply to estebanana

Good viola-tions, Suchibu-san. And the soprano one is right on.

How do you make the violas play parallel quarter-tones?

Write a unison passage.


You're driving quickly, come round a bend and suddenly there's a conductor and a violist crossing the road in front of you. You can't avoid hitting one of them. Which one do you hit?

The conductor; business before pleasure.


Which leads to an old favourite:
What's the difference between a bull and an orchestra?

On a bull, the horns are at the front and the ar$ehole's at the back.

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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to Ruphus

I don't think Ballmer has anything do do with the destruction of wildlife that is ongoing and I really can't see any reason to imagine he should use his billions to remedy the situation. The demand that is driving the destruction
of rhino (near extinction I read) elephants and sharks is from China The horn of the rhino and the fins of sharks are thought to be an aphrodisiac With all the chaos in the world in Syria and Africa involving humans, I am afraid animals are well down the list of things to do. But as mass extinctions are a feature of our planet a rebirth of creatures will have to wait until our turn..
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to estebanana

All Estebanana's crazy posts make me want to buy one of his guitars. Someday. Haha.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 31 2014 22:35:51
 
Ruphus

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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to aeolus

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ORIGINAL: aeolus

I don't think Ballmer has anything do do with the destruction of wildlife that is ongoing and I really can't see any reason to imagine he should use his billions to remedy the situation. The demand that is driving the destruction
of rhino (near extinction I read) elephants and sharks is from China The horn of the rhino and the fins of sharks are thought to be an aphrodisiac With all the chaos in the world in Syria and Africa involving humans, I am afraid animals are well down the list of things to do. But as mass extinctions are a feature of our planet a rebirth of creatures will have to wait until our turn..


Jeez.
Sitting Bull´s hypothetical nightmare, and it is probably even the disconnected enumeration of the masses.
Hopeless.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 1 2014 1:46:55
 
estebanana

 

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RE: keep calm about the rich and tel... (in reply to Estevan

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How do you make the violas play parallel quarter-tones?

Write a unison passage.


Nice one, I had not heard that before.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 1 2014 2:11:12
 
estebanana

 

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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to aeolus

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The horn of the rhino and the fins of sharks are thought to be an aphrodisiac


The cartilage from the fins is used in soup. They catch the shark on long lines along with other non target species then cut off the dorsal fin and throw the shark back in the water. It's devastating to the ocean because sharks perform a number of tasks that have to do with cleaning carrion from the water. The fishing method of called "finning", it wastes the whole fish but for a stupid fin. All the other non target species either get thrown back dead or a few get used.

The eating of shark fin soup is status based, and I'm not saying it's wrong, but as China wealth grew in the last 25 years so did the consumption of shark fin. The fishing methods are deplorable and the lack limits on catches have endangered many species of sharks, which are an indicator spieces of other changes in the seas. Ironically, now, shark fin soup is accessible more frequently to people as China developed more middle class in big cities. Culturally shark fin soup is a food you use to honor important guests, but mainly to honor elders. It's respect building, but since is common and more people cam afford it, it's not that special is it?


In Hawaii restaurants there's now a moratorium on shark fin soup. They got the idea that they depend on the sea for life. Perhaps all the sharks will swim into Hawaiian territorial waters inside the 12 international mile limit.

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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to aeolus

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ORIGINAL: aeolus

The demand that is driving the destruction


Nobody is demanding destruction. The destruction and other reckless ways of exploiting humans and nature are needed to keep up the cost efficient production for the sake of making profit out of it. It is cheaper for companies to throw away garbage isntead of recycling it, to pollute the air, the water and the ground instead of investing in cleaner means of production, to pay people less than their work is worth... one has to wonder: of course it needs to be that way. Where should the profit come from if not from that?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 1 2014 10:30:26
 
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to estebanana

Shark fin soup dates back to Ming Dynasty China and is considered by Chinese as one of the eight treasured foods from the sea.
Wiki

Like the Japanese and there insistence in continuing the un-needed practice of whaling, Asian attitudes toward wildlife and its preservation are trumped by deep cultural attitudes. I wonder if there is even one Asian group dedicated to species preservation.
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to estebanana

quote:

Don't **** rich people, **** their daughters, they HATE that. Lolol

olé y olé y olé
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 1 2014 13:38:48
 
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to aeolus

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ORIGINAL: aeolus

I wonder if there is even one Asian group dedicated to species preservation.



See Hindu.
quote:

Treatment of animals in Hinduism

Hinduism is a compassionate religion and treats all living beings from animals down to insects and tiny creatures with great respect as aspects of God, having souls of their own, going through the same process of births and deaths as human beings. Depending upon how they are born, they classify all living beings into three kinds: those who are born from seeds and sprouts, those who are born from eggs and those who are born from womb. The scriptures urge us to treat the animals fairly and, not harm them and not subject them to cruelty and pain. Non-violence towards all, including plants and animals is the highest virtue. Non-violence means not even having the intention to disturb others. Sacrificing animals to appease the deities was a prehistoric tradition which continued in the tradition for long, but as time went by became increasingly uncomfortable with such practices to the extent that it is no more appreciated in Hinduism by all sections of people. The historical attitude of Hindus towards animals can be guessed from the fact that until the arrival of the British into India, the Indian forests were teeming with all kinds of wildlife. It was the British who made hunting a great sport and virtually wiped out the wildlife population from the country.

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/animals.asp


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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to Bliblablub

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Nobody is demanding destruction.


Er...I use demanding here as a description of economic demand.
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to aeolus

I know what demand(ing) means. The economic demand is not the reason for the destruction of nature.
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to estebanana

So, Ruphus, is it ok to say "F$%# jews" or "F&%$ white people" or "F*&% middle class" or "F&%$ flamencos" or damn a whole group of people?

Your out of your mind.

Ruphus, F&%$ you.
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to Bliblablub

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The economic demand is not the reason for the destruction of nature.


I am referring to destruction of animal species due to economic demand. In the case of poaching in Africa, it is strictly due to economic demand. Do you think the poachers are just sportsmen?
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to aeolus

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Like the Japanese and there insistence in continuing the un-needed practice of whaling, Asian attitudes toward wildlife and its preservation are trumped by deep cultural attitudes. I wonder if there is even one Asian group dedicated to species preservation.


The Chinese have a different attitude abut conservation than the Japanese, and in China there are conservationally enlightend people working to change a lot of practices in handing wildlife management. The problem in China is that for decades and decades the governments problems were focused in population growth management and food production, wildlife took a back seat. But there are really smart scientists and activists in China who see the problems.

Whaling is not so much a traditional ritual act that is engrained deep in Japanese culture as it is a small industry which is dying a slow and very internationally infamous death. In the past having enough food to eat in stock was a big deal and that still is in the consciousness of the older population, but younger people don't have the hoarding food mentality;whaling was one of the ways in the past the government could stock pile a large inexpensive protein supply. But the stocks lay uneaten and whale meat is not popular among youth, who also are more international citizens than those who are older.

In Taiji on the Pacific side you may have heard there's a small mouthed cove they drive dolphins into and then net off the entry to the cove trapping the dolphin. They take the healthiest dolphins and the separate then and the slaughter the rest to sell for food.

The separated dolphins are then put on the market to aquariums around the world to bid on as live capture specimens. Aquariums buy the dolphins trapped at Taiji for prices upwards of $125,000.00 dollars each larger marine mammals up to Orca will fetch prices up to two million dollars each.

The problem is not hunting dolphins to eat because the Japanese are hungry for dolphin meat, which by the way is toxic because they are large apex preditors, the reason Taiji stays in business is because the sales of live dolphins supports the economy of a whole city. And the international community that patronizes aquariums with live dolphin exhibits area also blame alike for they are the ones who create the demand for live dolphin shows.

The West is culpable in the dolphin entertainment industry because European and US companies that run for profit aquarium amusement parks are the cultural institutions which train children to accept the keeping on dolphins and other large marine mammals in swimming pool sized tanks.

South of Taiji there's another city that holds the waters off it's coast as a dolphin sanctuary area. This sanctuary was set up through the cooperation of local prefectural government and a citizens conservation group working together.

Tokyo bay was at one point so polluted that the fish populations were dying off and toxic. The government enacted strict pollution control and fishing regulations and today Tokyo bay still supports a good fishing industry of clean fish. Compare that to the cleaning up of the Potomac River; the shad run died off, the crabs and seafood industry of the Potomac was ruined by heavy industry, at about the same time Tokyo bay was cleaned up so was the Potomac river.


___Akatune : Hope your guitar is still humming along and is not too raspsy!

Hard to explain to those who have not lived in Asia how common attitudes towards Asia( a very big chunk of the planet) from Westerners are funny.

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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to estebanana

Esteban,
Thanks for asking.
The guitar is not too raspy. A bit raspy on the g-string when flat. But raspy on the g-string could add an exotic aire.
The guitar sounds nice and has mellowed. People always compliment it. It's a charming guitar and it's played every day.
It appears you have accustomed yourself to Japan and learned quite a bit of history. Maybe I was wrong and you will enjoy your time there.

Yes, confronting the stereotypes is an interesting mind game. I use to develop questions to ask my Japanese acquaintances, ask everybody i could then tabulate the answers. Turns out they have some amusing stereotypes about us as well. Turns out we're all people! (except for the rich. ha ha ha ha)
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to estebanana

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In Taiji on the Pacific side you may have heard there's a small mouthed cove they drive dolphins into and then net off the entry to the cove trapping the dolphin. They take the healthiest dolphins and the separate then and the slaughter the rest to sell for food.


You're referring to The Cove - Vertigo films. The guy that caught and trained the dolphins used in 'Flipper' had a change of thinking and went over to Taiji to expose the problem. There are few Dolphinariums in the UK now.
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to estebanana

I agree with Ruphus's main point. A lot of Foro members have mentioned little bits of offshoot information that is good, but some seem to have this negative/ i know more than you connotation...but really these points are not that closely related to Ruphus's main point. So imo You're all right but are usually talking about slightly different arguments.

Aeolus brings a good solution. There are specific areas and situations where the locals are desperate in finding work. Why do a regular job and barely get by when you can illegally refine stolen oil, or illegally kill for ivory or rhino horn. So you've gotta change the economic situation there or somehow offer better jobs to these people. Or somehow demolish the demand for such items. Making these items illegal, seems logical at first but actually makes these items more valuable and probably does more harm than good. They should actually tackle the underlying problem, rather than create a law to sort of govern itself. maybe they should just create elephant farms and etc.

Rhino/ Elephant/ illegal animal trade/ poaching



asia's illegal animal trade

Oil:

The oil part starts at 15:00

Gold:

Another one, sorta related: firearms
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to akatune

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So, Ruphus, is it ok to say "F$%# jews" or "F&%$ white people" or "F*&% middle class" or "F&%$ flamencos" or damn a whole group of people?

Your out of your mind.

Ruphus, F&%$ you.


Are you SERIOUSLY equating 'the rich' to other dispossessed and marginalised sections of society? Like The Jews you mention? Persecuted for millennia as a scapegoat for national interests? Africa? -utterly exploited by rich men, 'the rich' across the world?

If you want to know about 'the rich' and what they are doing, and being allowed to do by us, read Capital by Thomas Piketty. Save your sympathy for someone who deserves it. A fool is the free thinker who sells his oppressor's ideology.
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to estebanana

El Burro mentioned a very valuable point which is enabling solutions for local economies instead of enforcing secondary measures of pseudo PC like allowing mass fluctuation and destroying individual cultures.

In some places environmentalists are gradually succeeding with conveying to the people how local wild-life is being their own future capital ( tourism / states support for preservation / compensation for preyed cattle etc.).


However, the main destructive point, of which all the other malaise spring off, is the arrogation of labour value. This is what allows irrational margins of profiteering and amassement of buying power which again is the foundation of societal insanity and perversion.

Working men´s inalienable right on his labours value is the first human right. It must be inserted in all constitutions.

A second societal statute for an authentic democracy, which after the above though should end up self-fulfilling, would be a limitation of income discrepancy. The lowest and highest income must be set into rationally related to effort / traceable proportion. Like say 1:6 or at most maybe 1:10.

This would render disconnection of effort and income impossible. And it would prevent excessive accumulation of possession and depriving of fellow men and environment / leave air to breath.

You would not have to wonder what the super rich are cynically doing with values they squeezed off their surrounding, and property would spread among people in reasonable ways.
You would have noone eating tiger penisses, neither anyone eating dog poo.

And we have been prevented from understanding how average living standard would be looking like if excessive possession occupied by the oligarchs and entourage was released to the worlds community.
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Very humble truisms need to be understood by a menkind now brainwashed in kingdoms and disconnected from reason since 5 millenia.

Truisms like that we have to share a planet. That elite and social gap is being a construct / that every human with birth has equal right to feed from earth. And that fellow creature just as much has a right on its habitat and on its untouched being.
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Allow expropriation of labour surplus value to be perceived in the first place, then to be banished, and see menkind, mentality and ( what be retrievable still of) nature recover in a rapid way you would had not dared dreaming of in your wildest dreams.

However, in place of such an awakening we are already facing the turbo version of excessiveness and insanity.
I think that point needs at least a dedicated post below.

Ruphus
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Early last week there was a TV-special on Facebook, Google and NSA.

Not that I hadn´t noted their size before, but this report yet made me realize the actual options and power with such installation.

Do you expect Google to have exploded on profits from advertising income alone? Do you think it became the wealthiest company in no time just through helping industries with finding targeted consumers? Could be, maybe.
And have you considered what it means when the wealthiest company in the world is out of all one of no manufactory?

Instances like Google or NSA ought to be turning upside-down anything that might have remained from the reasonable relation of production and earning.
These instances are able of making accessible to themselves insider information, market transparency and option of instigation that yield the greatest accumulation of wealth through scraping from the actually productive segment of the market.

If you were upset about the completely unrelated proportions of production and profit, about a new-age economy that used to consist for over 60% of non-productive segment, then you might not yet have anticipated the era of todays digital giants.

Their new means are putting an end to all that might have been remaining yet in terms of rational marketing.
Able to drain off billions and trillions of $ from an exposed global market, anywhere anytime to liking.

The mega plutocracy has set in with our world as playball for a super court.

Ruphus
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to El Burro Flamencuro

Thanks for those interesting videos. Difficult to see how anyone could not understand what is going on in the ruthless destruction of wild animals for profit. One can write a history of the world around the production of food.
Over planting of corn in the midwest because of demand for ethanol has resulted in serious degradation of the topsoil. Off the coast of the eastern US when the US limits were set at 12 miles, the east coast waters were filled with fishing boats from the world over. But by the time the congress bestirred itself to set the limit at 200 miles the damage was done and the over fishing has destroyed the fish stocks. The federal government is attempting to re-populate them by setting limits on the catch of the most
endangered species. But the more food available the more the population rises requiring yet again and increase in production and harvesting of fish.
It's a never ending cycle that will at some point hit critical mass precipitating a sever shortfall of food.
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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to akatune

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Esteban,
Thanks for asking.
The guitar is not too raspy. A bit raspy on the g-string when flat. But raspy on the g-string could add an exotic aire.
The guitar sounds nice and has mellowed. People always compliment it. It's a charming guitar and it's played every day.
It appears you have accustomed yourself to Japan and learned quite a bit of history. Maybe I was wrong and you will enjoy your time there.

Yes, confronting the stereotypes is an interesting mind game. I use to develop questions to ask my Japanese acquaintances, ask everybody i could then tabulate the answers. Turns out they have some amusing stereotypes about us as well. Turns out we're all people! (except for the rich. ha ha ha ha)


Akatune,

Well now that I've been here 13 months we could have an interesting chat all about rural Japan. Since we both have the experience of living in a Japanese family in the outback. It's a funny place to see things from, and like you I have been seated a position to test and question the perception of stereotypes; You know what I'm saying to look at it backwards and forwards- it's oddest to me when the stereotype comes true, but then you realize that we are all people....barring the rich of the rich course, like Larry King, as we know he is a lizard. The Japanese people break my heart, but they also piss me off. The cohesiveness of some parts of the culture is just precious beyond explanation, the DMV on the other hand should be sent straight to a special hell with six headed dogs which bite your testicles until they rot off and then grow back again to be bitten off again.

It sounds like the G string is giving you happy ending. Amen. I am pleased and hope to hear you play that guitar again someday.

We'll catch up, I want to hear about your transition into your new career. Keep the Glock clean and change your strings every 30,000 miles.

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RE: F*** the rich (in reply to El Burdo

El Burdo, you assume a lot.

F&%# you, as well.
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