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solea1

 

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List of "Rito y Geografía"... 

It's getting hard to find a lot of the historic "Rito y Geografía del Flamenco" CD/Booklets for sale, even in Spanish webstores. I recently doodled up a list of the many programs that are viewable on YouTube and put it in a Blogpost.

I find it convenient and informative to have the titles and links in one place and ready to view at the push of a button. A lot feature English subtitles, and those are listed first.

The episodes aren't in any special order, and they weren't originally broadcast in a logical sequence. Some of the 100 shows are missing -- see list at end -- and most of those were never issued in the beautifully restored 1995 booklet version or the . I think I have all the missing shows, in the relatively poor-quality VCR version I received from Spanish Television or the even worse VCR version bought from Alga Editores in the nineties.

There's an introductory page about the series. I'll start adding some details about each program soon.

I mentioned the post to my imaginary friends on Facebook, but didn't tell my imaginary enemies. I hope it's okay to give the link to the post here:
http://www.flamencoexperience.com/blog/?p=1334

Regards to all,

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 11 2014 5:49:53
 
Leñador

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to solea1

Esssssoooooooo
Your a good man Charlie Brown! Thanks tons!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 11 2014 8:18:18
 
burnsbyrne

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to solea1

Thanks so much for this list!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 11 2014 14:43:46
 
Erik van Goch

 

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to solea1

You're the best :-).

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 11 2014 17:08:33
 
mark indigo

 

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to solea1

nice list!

deflamenco.com have only a few of the DVD's, but elflamencovive.com have more titles.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 11 2014 23:44:26
 
tommyberre

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to solea1

Thanks for that!

Btw, this link appears to be wrong..?

Beni de Cádiz – Rito – English Subtitles
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 12 2014 9:29:54
 
Ricardo

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to solea1

A great treasure and resource. I was trying to figure out if I missed anything a few months back based on lists of episodes....I came to the conclusion that there were only 99 episodes of the weekly show as one weekend seems to have not been dated in sequence (each saturday there seems a date for an episode over those 3 years, except for one odd situation which I assumed might have been a special TV event or something).

After all I still feel that poor guy Platero just blew everybody away. Other favorite was Caracol at home. Pure gold.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 12 2014 14:56:17
 
Arash

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to tommyberre

quote:

ORIGINAL: tommyberre

Thanks for that!

Btw, this link appears to be wrong..?

Beni de Cádiz – Rito – English Subtitles



Here is the correct link



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 12 2014 17:33:48
 
solea1

 

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Arash

Thanks, Tommyberre -- I've corrected that url mistake (and added a few more programs: Rafael Romero, Luís Caballero, Diego Clavel.

I'll try to get the last eight (?) shows up on YouTube somehow, someday -- I don't know the process, will have to consult with a third grader if I can afford her hourly fee. The absent programs would be:

Solea 2 -- Terrific, almost as good as Solea 1. I think this one has singers Santiago Donday and the blind María la Sabina, plus the terrific El Borrico with guitarist Manuel Morao.

Festival del Cante -- Neat -- A remarkable solo bulerías by Diego del Gastor at the Morón Gazpacho -- at the end he sort of shares credit with his guitar, gets up very quickly and leaves the stage, showing his genuine diffidence (at best) about being in a high-visibilty setting. José Menese sings to Diego's accompaniment. (Menese's taking a lot of heat these days for his take-no-prisoners defense of traditional Gypsy song, which is out of fashion It used to be called pure; now it is called "pure", in a tone of condescending irony. No, it's not mere chauvinism -- Menese is not a gitano. Powerful? Well, if we couldn't afford to pay the 100-peseta admission to a festival, we'd hang around outside the gates waiting to accost the artists afterward. From outside, we could rarely hear anything -- until Menese let loose.) Antonio Mairena is accompanied by Pedro Peña and Paco del Gastor (Diego evidently refused to play for him). (There may be two different programs titled "Festival del Flamenco".)

Los Flamencólogos -- Gab, gab -- shows why real artists ridicule us self-styled experts. (The superb guitarist Emilio Prados, who thought Agujetas was a bad singer and had heard about an article where I insisted he was the Second Coming, announced my arrival in a New York dive with, "Ah, here is our friend the flamencúlogo." [In Spain, your culo is what you sit on.]) Manuel Cano's formal guitar playing interrupts the punditry.

Encarnación La Sallago -- A wonderful singer and wonderful woman. (She cooks for me when I visit her in Sanlúcar de Barrameda.) Two years ago, at the Sala Compañía underneath our apartment in Jerez, she tore the place up with powerful singing and great stories. Did I mention she was 93? (Check out her translated interview in my blog. She laments the death of a brother in the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic that swept the world -- and didn't start in Spain -- with still-fresh grief.)

Maria La Marrurra -- Moreen Silver, a Jacksonville, Florida woman whose command of flamenco singing is downright uncanny, made an LP with the glorious guitarist Melchor de Marchena, who was a fan of hers as was the great singer Antonio Mairena. With her husband, the late guitarist Chris Carnes, she made recordings that are the best audio documents of great Gypsy song done between the mid-sixties and mid-seventies. She has had some difficulties lately, and friends are working to make things easier for her. (She did a guest gig on a 2011 Spanish TV show that's on YouTube, lookin' good and soundin' fine.)

Pericón de Cádiz -- A great master of a glorious local tradition. One of the best moments in the TV series is when he starts singing, the phone rings (I'm told it's his daughter on the line), he picks it up and tries to explain that he's being filmed. "Yes. they are making a film. No, I can't talk right now. A film. Yes. So I can't talk. Because of the film" And on and on. Cinema verité de verdad...

Las Torre -- I think this episode focuses on two daughters of Manuel Torre, the maximum exponent of deep Gypsy song. But if it's Los Torre, it would be the family guys. Anthropologically interesting, perhaps.

Antonio de Canillas -- Malaga area singer, a non-Gypsy born in 1929 who was still singing the lovely songs of his home territory nearly eighty years later.

There may be a 100th episode that celebrated and concluded the series by looking back at highlights. It may have been titled "Rito y Geografía del Flamenco". It might be in my collection as simply "Cante Flamenco" -- I'll try to figure it out.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 13 2014 8:14:14
 
Ricardo

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to solea1

Planning a viewing party with some aficionado friends and decided to make a study guide for the series. I have always felt like the randomness of Rito y Geografia subject matter, (unlike a lot of anthologies of cante that are organized by some logical grouping of forms), does a disservice to the educational aspects of the series. If you want to learn some more big scope concepts it’s a daunting task to just tackle viewing the series as whole. So I have organized some of the programs so that a logical relationship can be made between two seemingly unrelated programs, so any new comers might find value in watching programs in a specific order. Most of the episodes are available on line, however I am basing this guide mainly on the incomplete DVD release that this thread describes. The DVD’s are organized by Roman Numerals such that each Roman numeral refers to a single DVD containing 4 programs, so for anybody with the full 18 DVD set can refer both to the title of the programs and the Roman Numerals in parentheses.

For folks just using the internet you can just go by the program titles.


The guide I came up with uses two main viewing routes. The first is by FORMS. The second is by specific Artists, VIA the accompanying guitarists. The reason for that is there are only a few accompanist tocaores compared to singers, so you have situations were the style of accompaniment affects the singers performance to the point it is interesting to compare and contrast two singers that used the same guitarist. Two singers have more than one full program dedicated to them, Caracol and Mairena, offering another eduactional compare/contrast option that being the same singer with a DIFFERENT guitarist (in the case of Mairena with Morao and Melchor).

Of course not every single program I was able to fit into a logical frame of “watch first this, then this...”, so I include some extra programs as points of interest. Each episode of course stands alone as a complete entertaining piece, but when sharing with students and aficionados I think we can get more out of some organization. I will put the two guide routes as two separate posts below.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 11 2019 23:52:41
 
Ricardo

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Ricardo

Rito y Geografia by FORMS:

SOLEA y SIGUIRIYAS FAMILIES
1. Cantes Primitivos sin Guitarra (VIII)
2a.La Saeta (IX)
2b. La Saeta 2 (from rtve.es site below)
3. Tona (I)
4. Seguiriyas 1 (III)
5. Seguiriyas 2 (IV)
6. Soleares 1 (VII)
7. Triana (XII)
8. Oliver de Triana (I)
9a. Soleares 2 (VIII)
9b. Barrio Santiago (VIII, focus on the Solea songs)
10. Por Solea (from rtve.es site.)
11a. Fiesta Flamenca Gitana por Buleria (XVI)
11b. Fiesta Gitana (IV)
12. Romances, Tientos y Tangos (XI)
13. Fiesta Flamenca Gitana por Tangos (V)
14. Serrania (I)
15a. Evolucion del Cante (XV)
15b. Del cafe cantantes al tablao (rtve.es site)
16. Cadiz y los Puertos (III)
17. De Sanlucar a La Linea (VII)

FANDANGO family:
1. Fandango de Huelva (II)
2. El Fandango (X)
3. Fandango Naturales (XVIII)

LEVANTE
1. Ronda a Malaga (V)
2. Pedro Lavado (III)
3. Malagueñas (XVI)
4. Granada a Union (XI)
5a. Malaga y Levante (XVII)
5b. Supplement the above with performances borrowed from Cantaores Viejos program (Piñana and Matrona XVII), Enrique Morente program (granaina, cartagenera, taranta, XIII), and Platero de Alcala (Granaina XIV). Those extras really complete the LEVANTE evolution as a whole.

IDA Y VUELTA, FOLKLORIC, NON ANDALUCIA
1. Cantes Flamencos Importados (XIII)
2. Cantes procedentes de Folclore (XII)
3. El Pali (XIV)
4a. Lorca y El Flamenco (X)
4b. Falla y flamenco (from rtve.es site)
5. De despeñaperros parra arriba (IX)
6. Extremadura y Portugal (VI)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 12 2019 0:25:18
 
Ricardo

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Ricardo

By ARTISTAS

1. Viejos Cantaores (XVII)
2. La Familia Pinini (V)
3. Pepe Matrona (IV)

Eduardo de La Malena
1. Chocolate (XI)
2. Platero de Alcala (XIV)

Melchor de Marchena
1. Caracol 2 (XVI)
2. Caracol 1 (IX)
3a. Melchor de Marchena (VI)
3b. Supplement with the Taranto solo from La guitarra Flamenca 1 (XIII)
4. Llave de Oro (Mairena, XIV)
5. Casa Mairena (XII) (Mairena study continues below with Morao on Guitar)

Manuel Morao
1. Antonio Mairena (X)
2. Terremoto (XVII)
3a. Tia Anica Piriñaca (XIII)
3b. Supplement with Siguiriya solo from La Guitarra Flamenca 1 (XIII), and Solea from La Guitarra 2 (XIV)...unless you are only into the cante of course.

Paco Cepero
1. Manuel Soto Sordera (XV)
2. Camaron (I)
3. Camaron/Turronero Juerga (Fragmented and mixed into various programs. Below is the order of performances)
3a. Cante Gitano, 6th song (XVIII)
3b. Fiesta Gitana por Buleria song 2 then song 4, (XVI), then siguiriyas from “por Seguiriyas” only on youtube.
3c. Fiesta Gitana por Tango song 5 (V)
3d. Fandango Naturales song 6 (XVIII)
3e. De Granada a Union song 6 (XI)
3f. La guitarra flamenca 2 song 3 (XIV)....this is when Paco De Lucia finally gets to play a solo buleria in this Juerga.
3g. La guitarra Flamenca 1 song 4 (XIII)....only turronero sticks around for PDL’s Solo Rondeña.

Diego del Gastor
1. Fernanda de Utrera (VI)
2. Bernarda de Utrera (VII)
3a. Diego el del Gastor (XV)
3b. Supplement with La Guitarra flamenca 1 song 5 (XIII)...famous solo buleria used as soundtrack.
3c. Festival de cante (from rtve.es site)

Manuel Parrilla
1. La Paquera (II)
2. Agujetas (XVIII)

Manolo Brenes
1. Beni de Cadiz (XVIII)
2. Jose Menese (V)

Manolo Sanlucar
1. Enrique Morente (XIII)
2. Maria Vargas (XVII)

Pedro Peña
1. Lebrijano (III)
2. La Familia Perrate (XVI)
3. La Perrata (IX)

Juan Habichuela
1. Fosforito (XII)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 12 2019 1:19:14
 
Ricardo

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Ricardo

Extra Random Programs of interest:

1. Paco de Lucia (VIII)....shame he only accompanies his brother in the entire series, this one buleria.
2. Pepe Martinez (II)....great interview and playing, the closer connection to R. Montoya in the series.
3. Los Niño Cantaores (II)....just because it is on the same DVD and it’s so inspiring to see the prodigies and baby artists that became famous.
4a. Cante Gitano (XVIII)....great performances, however, not too keen on the idea of gypsy interpretation vs payos. To compare, there is an episode on youtube “cante gitano interprete por no gitano”, I don’t think it is totally fair to make comparisons based on race alone. Anyway Platero kills them all IMO.
4b. Cante Flamenco interprete no gitano (rtve.es site).
4c. Manuel Torre y Antonio Chacon (rtve.es site). The quintessential gitano vs payos argument. Also a good supplement to Viejos Cantaores. Saddly Chacon is not fairly represented, I would refer to morente and Platero interpretations next to chocolates versions of Torre. Still it’s a fun episode.
5. Cristobalina Suarez (IV)...sort of like the female equivalent of program on Platero, the point being there are some great artists that are not really known or talked about . Same DVD as previous program. Pinini family is also related, though she would be related by marriage. She is part of an important triad of female singers from Sanlucar with Maria Vargas and Sallago. These ladies show an important stylistic fusion of Jerez and Cadiz IMO.
6. El vino y el Flamenco (VI)...Simply two of my favorite subjects. Unique performance of Pansequito with Moraito’s dad makes this a special one. But basically it’s just a fun episode along with the other Juerga themed episodes.
7. Cantaora (XV)....most of the singers featured are men, a lot of gypsy female artists are married and not permitted to sing in public, so they make a big deal about it. Can do without this type of generaliztion and distinction and rather focus on specific artists.
8. Navidad (XI)....could be an extension of Sodera’s program but it’s not really hardcore flamenco, more about the gypsy family christmas life style. Love Sordera, and this program is educational but more as an aside to the main focus of flamenco.

Youtube only:
I have enjoyed programs like the “no gitano” one, Chacon vs Torre, the Cafe Cantantes, Pepe Marchena, Borrico, Pericon etc....a shame these didn’t make it to DVD. As for educational vs entertainment value, I guess they don’t necessarily add a lot extra to what we have on DVD.
EDIT: 14 available episodes, will make a separate guide for them.

Bad singers:
I understood the Need for “La familia de los Torre” (VII) as the topic of Manuel Torre and influence is huge. But good grief they are so out of tune...even the son admitting he is “tone deaf”, it’s just painful to watch. It’s worth it for the interviews but I have to fast forword the cante on this one. La Perrata is also pretty bad....but it fit in with the Pedro Pena and family theme so I let it slide. It is hard to believe how Lebrijano got so darn good learning mainly from that source. But the whole family vibe is really sweet despite how hard it is to listen to her singing. And last, the brother of Beni de Cadiz, nice guy and great aficionado but holy heck why did they do a program on him as a singer??? Amos Rodriguez Rey (X) it’s ok to skip that one IMO.

So that’s it, hope some folks find this helpful.

Ricardo

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 12 2019 4:11:57
 
Paul Magnussen

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to solea1

quote:

http://www.flamencoexperience.com/blog/?p=1334


When I click on the link, all I get is a huge advert saying FlamencoExperience is for sale

https://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=flamencoexperience&e=com
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 12 2019 5:50:34
 
kitarist

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Paul Magnussen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

quote:

http://www.flamencoexperience.com/blog/?p=1334


When I click on the link, all I get is a huge advert saying FlamencoExperience is for sale

https://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=flamencoexperience&e=com


I guess the website/blog is gone. Did anyone save that list of links?

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Ricardo

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Paul Magnussen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

quote:

http://www.flamencoexperience.com/blog/?p=1334


When I click on the link, all I get is a huge advert saying FlamencoExperience is for sale

https://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=flamencoexperience&e=com


Was kind of hoping folks have learned the deal with youtube.....vids go up and go down all the time. Links are shyte. Searches are gold. Search “rito y geografia Piriñaca”....and I promise you will find exactly what you were looking for unless we are in a limbo period between uploads and take downs.

Anyway I posted on this THREAD to keep on topic, after all it was Mr Zern there who got those guys to convert all that great material a decade plus ago.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 12 2019 6:37:15
 
kitarist

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Ricardo

Hey, look at this youtube playlist I just found, following Ricardo's instructions :

Rito y Geografía del Cante Flamenco


It has 67 videos!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 12 2019 6:56:05
 
Richard Jernigan

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to kitarist

...and here's one with 87:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-TWACUBLNysIinOJ9MNwhBSH5a2FP9rF

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 12 2019 20:05:36
 
kitarist

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Richard Jernigan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

...and here's one with 87:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-TWACUBLNysIinOJ9MNwhBSH5a2FP9rF

RNJ


Wow, thank you Richard! Hopefully there is not a complete overlap between the two lists so the combined unique show total is even closer to 99.

EDIT: Hmm, no, unique ones in this list are at most 71, just auto-checking by title.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 12 2019 20:09:37
 
Ricardo

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to kitarist

quote:

ORIGINAL: kitarist

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

...and here's one with 87:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-TWACUBLNysIinOJ9MNwhBSH5a2FP9rF

RNJ


Wow, thank you Richard! Hopefully there is not a complete overlap between the two lists so the combined unique show total is even closer to 99.

EDIT: Hmm, no, unique ones in this list are at most 71, just auto-checking by title.


I have 72 on dvd described in my 3 posts above.
Have seen on YouTube:
1. Manuel Torre y Antonio Chacon
2. Cafe cantantes
3. La Perla
4. Borrico
5. Pepe Marchena
6. Perricon de Cadiz
7. pansequito
8. Cante Gitano Interprete no gitano
9. Falla y el flamenco
10 Luis Caballero

Heard exist but never saw them and slightly skeptical of:

1. Moreen Silver marrurra (on youtube)
2. Rafael Romero (just found on youtube)
3. Diego clavel (just found it on youtube)
4. Cabales (just found on youtube)
5. Difusion del flamenco (found it lol)
6. Fernanda y bernarda (not confused for either solo program?)
7. Festival del cante (rtve.es site only!)
8. Flamencologos
9. Joselero (found it)
10. El Perrate (found it))
11. Pies de plomo (found)
12. Sabicas
13. Sallago
14. Tangos y Tientos (not confused for the other with romances?)
15. Villancicos (not confused for navidad?)
16. Tras dos años (best of recap?)
17. Rito y Geografia (best of recap of entire series?)

It’s 99 but I think probably some confusion over titles, but maybe 7 or 8 were made but lost?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 12 2019 23:17:19
 
kitarist

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Ricardo

That's of huge interest to me, and I thank you for arranging the videos in logical ways!

Now with the youtube videos, it looks like I can match most or nearly all to the titles you give from the DVDs, so I can easily watch them in the order you re-arranged them.

Very exciting!!

EDIT: Here's an alphabetized list of the 71 unique titles from Richard's playlist, with corresponding playlist number:



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 12 2019 23:35:36
 
RobF

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to kitarist

Also, many of these are available with English subtitles. I did a pretty thorough search a few years ago and came up with over 70 that were subtitled.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 12 2019 23:49:54
 
Ricardo

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to RobF

quote:

ORIGINAL: RobF

Also, many of these are available with English subtitles. I did a pretty thorough search a few years ago and came up with over 70 that were subtitled.


All 72 have English from dvd rip that I described above. I found all but 7 of 99 episodes on youtube.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 13 2019 0:02:06
 
RobF

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

All 72 have English from dvd rip that I described above.


It’s just YouTube user ignorance on my part then. I’ll figure it out...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 13 2019 0:20:21
 
kitarist

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Paul Magnussen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

quote:

http://www.flamencoexperience.com/blog/?p=1334


When I click on the link, all I get is a huge advert saying FlamencoExperience is for sale

https://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=flamencoexperience&e=com


For what it's worth, I found out that the blog/website had gone offline sometime between Nov 2017 and Mar 2018.

I did find THE LIST in the Wayback Machine, captured in 2015:

https://web.archive.org/web/20150228023013/http://www.flamencoexperience.com/blog/?p=1334

The youtube links are probably outdated now(*) (BTW you cannot access them through clicking them directly even if they work - have to copy and paste into a new tab as otherwise the link goes into the Wayback Machine to look for a capture, which it doesn't have).

However, I thought it might be of interest to some to see what that list was - that the thread contemporaries saw in 2014.

EDIT: (*) Actually after trying a few I now think that most if not all of the youtube links from the list must be still working. The list was compiled sometime after the videos were posted, and it looks like the videos are all 6-7 years old postings (meaning it is the same version and link that ended up on the LIST).

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Heard exist but never saw them and slightly skeptical of:

...
7. Festival del cante
...


I found it on the RTVE.es website: http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/rito-y-geografia-del-cante/rito-geografia-del-cante-festival-del-cante/4860998/

BTW, RTVE.es seems to have 51 complete programs, available for free to view. I am listing them below because they actually provide the dates when the programs were shown:

(this is an image but the pdf with active links is here)



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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to solea1

Wow the rtve.es site is very revealing. I notice two unlisted titles (por solea and saeta 2) bringing the total from 99 to 101 potential episodes. Most of the 51 listed are from the DVD set, however 7 episodes were totally cleaned up and rendered in DVD quality for what never became DVDs XIX and XX. Those episodes are:

1. Cante...no gitano
2. Del cafe cantante al tablao
3. Falla y el flamenco
4. Festival del cante
5. Saeta 2
6. Manuel Torre y Antonio Chacon
7. Por Solea.

I assume La Perla would have been next in line to clean up to complete the DVD package, it’s the only one of the 51 on the site that is like the dirty youtube quality version. The next box dvd set would have then totalled 80 episodes on dvd, leaving 13 unremastered shows, and 8 lost mystery programs.

At this point I would like to revise my study guide above to include those 7 from rtve.es. As far as the remaining episodes available on youtube (14 episodes), I will need some time to go through them and see what ways to incorporate them into their own study guide, or if they can fit in to what I have already.

At this time the mysterious missing episodes are:
1. flamencologos
2. Sabicas
3. Sallago
4. Fernanda y bernarda
5. Tangos y Tientos
6. Villancicos
7. Tras de dos años
8. Rito y Geografia del cante

Let me know if any of those 8 pop up on line.

Also brook zern mentions above “Antonio de canillas”, but as a title this never came up in the 99 master lists nor search engines, unless he was confused about one of the Malagueñas episodes, of which he was the prominent featured artist.

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Ricardo

On this site, which is supposedly selling (or was) 26 Rito DVDs, when you look at the list of what is on each DVD, I see three (oops - ONE) programs that I have not seen mentioned anywhere. I thought I'd bring them up if you or someone can recognize them as an alias of a known program:

Por Seguiriyas (disk 3)
Joselero de Moron (disk 18) (oops Ricardo lists it now as "found it")
Pericon de Cadiz (disk 23) (oops Ricardo you list this one as "seen on you tube")

Also if you look at the first DVD - "Rito y Geografía del Cante Flamenco" - I'd say it is highly likely this is just the intro describing the whole set with highlights, rather than an original program not found anywhere else in the DVDs.

On disk 11 you see "Romances - Tangos y Tientos - ..." - so either there are two additional programs - one Romances (but in disk 2 is already cantes primitivos which is about that) and one Tangos y Tientos, different from "Romances, tangos y Tientos", or it is just a small typo made some time ago that created the myth of a separate tango y tientos program. On the balance of probabilities, it seems to me that "Romances - Tangos y Tientos" is the same as "Romances, Tangos y Tientos" as one program.

Another argument for this - on the same disk 11 is "Fernanda y Bernarda de Utrera" which to me is a title contraction for two programs - "Bernarda de Utrera" and "Fernanda de Utrera". If so, and if "Romances" were separate from "Tango..", that would have made for FIVE 30-min programs on that DVD, whereas any other one has up to four at most, and some have just two programs.

As to whether all these are DVD quality - I have to say it is confusing to see the picture of the "26 DVDs" be VHS tapes, as well as being able to choose between PAL and NTSC. But if they are DVD quality, then there are a number of other programs which Ricardo said were only on youtube (i.e. not restored/DVD quality?):

Los Cabales and Diffusion del flamenco (both on disk 5)
El Borrico (disk 10)
Rafael Romero (disk 18)
Perricon de Cadiz (disk 23)
Joselero de Moron (disk 18)

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to kitarist

Ok, a long time ago (late 1990’s) when I was first getting into flamenco guitar, there were vhs bootlegs of some programs floating around. Copied a zillion times they were horrible quality, distorted audio, but what a treasure. At some point someone with the above linked collection of vhs bootleg “masters” (2nd generation or worse) compiled em and sold em as Cante, Baile and a short Toque series. They were mixtures of the legit Rito series (only about cante except for the famous few guitarists features, paco, Diego, Melchor, Pepe Martinez and the two guitarra programs), and other random TVE programs that feature flamenco artists. Some were black and white, others were color. ALL of them were bootleg quality transfers to tape. As we can see they did NOT have all the rito programs, and I agree there are mistakes with labeling the programs. I do like that they attempted to organize programs by some theme.

After the vhs versions were released the DVD market exploded and they hastily transferred from analog to computer by playing them from some random VCR. The DVDs of the complete collection are so bad that some have tracking lines from the VCR playback that they didn’t bother to correct as the program played into the computer. AT the time I was only into guitar so I only purchased the DVD versions of the Toque set (4 DVDs). My VCR played better quality the VHS versions (I had like 3 players cuz I was so into bootlegging back then, one was good for vid, one for audio, and one was built in to the TV set), but I really enjoyed the ability to jump to different chapters. Again who ever did the transfer didn’t bother to program chapter jumps to actual performances, they are just timing jumps randomly distributed. I consider the entire affair higher than average bootlegging.

My discovery of the Cante series being re mastered to DVD was very exciting, as it came at a time I was deeply into studying the cante. There simply is no comparison in quality....they literally went into the master tape and filled in all the dirt and lines and hairs that flash across the screen, killed the haze, brightened it up and made it sparkly and razor sharp with enhanced distortion free audio, subtitles, booklet, etc etc. The 72 available on 18 DVDs are pure gold, and the 7 that never made it to disc are just as good it appears.

As for the 14 programs in lower quality on youtube, some might be from the above linked bootleg transfers, but several others are pretty good quality like somebody grabbed a re-run on their home machine at some point. So there quality varies. To get to the bottom of the mystery missing programs, of course, it is worth having a look at the off titled shows just to be sure. I will ask some of my friends that might have that old bootleg set when I see them.

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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

As far as the remaining episodes available on youtube (14 episodes), I will need some time to go through them and see what ways to incorporate them into their own study guide, or if they can fit in to what I have already.

At this time the mysterious missing episodes are:
1. flamencologos
2. Sabicas
3. Sallago
4. Fernanda y bernarda
5. Tangos y Tientos
6. Villancicos
7. Tras de dos años
8. Rito y Geografia del cante

Let me know if any of those 8 pop up on line.

Also brook zern mentions above “Antonio de canillas”, but as a title this never came up in the 99 master lists nor search engines, unless he was confused about one of the Malagueñas episodes, of which he was the prominent featured artist.


I looked at a couple of sources (and found a wiki entry for the series), and also discovered that in 2017 someone did a dissertation (!) on these series - with lots of analysis and statistics. There is a separate Annexes document (pdf) with a complete list of the original episodes as well as how they appear in various other versions and repackaging (including DVD).

Look here - access to two pdf files - first is the Annexes; second is the Dissertation itself, by Rocío Tejedor Benítez: https://idus.us.es/xmlui/handle/11441/71154

I was also able to confirm all the weeks when there was no broadcast; as you can imagine, the dissertation went over minute detail, including when there was an interruption in the weekly schedule.

As a summary, the series started on Oct 23, 1971 and ended on Oct 29, 1973. That's 106 weeks; however there were 6 confirmed weeks with no broadcast, so there were exactly 100 episodes shown. Of these, only the last one - Tras dos años - was a "double episode" - meaning it was 60 minutes long, whereas all the others were roughly 30min long.

Of your list above,

Los flamencólogos (15/10/1973), Sabicas (14/08/1972), Encarnación “La Sallago” (09/04/1973), Antonio de Canillas (19/02/1973), and Tras dos años (29/10/1973) seem to have existed for sure and were broadcast, as referenced in multiple sources.

However, none of these were available as of the 2017 searches (and table) that Benitez provides (his Table 61 in Annex 3). So this would explain why they are so elusive.

Another two which Benitez could not find anywhere (including youtube) are Por Solea and La Saeta II, but now we know they are in the RTVE.es archive (which he was aware of, so maybe these two videos are newly available; or Benitez made a mistake).

Given that all the 100 weeks with broadcasts are filled with titles on the list, it appears that the following three possible titles do not exist as given: Fernanda y bernarda must be the two separate programs (one for each); Tangos y Tientos is just a reference to the Romances, tangos y tientos; Villancicos does not appear mentioned in these sources.

Lastly, "Rito y Geografia del cante" is likely coming from the name of that introductory VHS/DVD repackaging that I mentioned earlier, the one with 26 disks, of which this is the name of the first one.

Also, Benitez notes that the DVD version of 'Las Tonas' is actually comprised of parts of two episodes as aired - Tonas (I) and Tonas (II).

Here's the list by date of broadcast, followed by the list arranged alphabetically:









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