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withinity

 

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Some Questions on Rasgueado 

I'm going to make haste with this post , i just typed out a massive one and accidentally closed this sub window.

Anyway i was hoping you guys could help me with some concerns regarding the rasguedo. I was unable to find information via prior searches on most of this stuff.

Firstly i have recently began to question my primary second nature type rasguedo that I use which is i,a,m,i - up which i switched to at some point from the standard a,m,i,i. I have not seen any player using that type of Rasg in their toque.
I'm wondering if their a reason for that , and why the a,m,i,i is used much more commonly.

Also the 5 stroke rasg is now bothering me , I started practicing basic Bulerias compas about a month ago and so far what i have been doing in place of the 5 stroke rasgueado on beat 9 that goes onto beat 10 with the upstroke is something like i,a,m,i-up, i - down accented on the 10th beat.

Is that right ? or should i just be playing a 4 stroke Rasg instead of the 5 with an upstroke on beat 10 following the 4 stroke rasg on beat 9.

Most methods from utilize the pinky in rasgueados Juan martin, Manuel Granados etc, so now im kinda second guessing what i have been doing in terms of replacing a rasgueado technique with my own as i have never used my pinky.


I hope that makes sense, and thank you in advance.

All the best.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 9 2014 0:35:08
 
edgar884

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RE: Some Questions on Rasgueado (in reply to withinity

I know that for me the upstroke with i before a m i is opening up new dimensions.
and now that I can do rasg from the palm it is also opening up new things.

Because going up with i is usually an upbeat or beat 1 if you will it gives it more of a walztey type feel and makes you do rasgs of the upbeat which I'm starting to realize is a real important part of Flamenco. I say do what you want though just make sure your practicing your rasgs like this. Do a m i i in triplets with metronome and i a i in fours and c a m i i in triplets our sixteenth notes. And p a i in fours as well. then when you try to play those rasgs for what they are they become more even. I do think the I up a down m down i down is great for switching to other Chords kinda like in tangos. I know Ricardo is a big believer in the I up a down m down and I down so we should be too.

There is no definitive way just be yourself but be Flamenco LOL.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 9 2014 3:08:38
 
withinity

 

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RE: Some Questions on Rasgueado (in reply to withinity

Hey Edgar thanks for the response.

I should have been a bit more specific in regards to the i,a,m,i Rasgueado that I use which is a downstroke for the first i and an up stroke for the last i.

Thanks for advice in regards to the metronome its another thing i have been thinking about because thus far I have not been including any specific technique exercises into my practice i have just been practicing techniques through various compass's i know or new ones i feel comfortable learning.

That being said i think its time to implement some of these exercises played along a metronome which i rarely do since spilling water on the one i had.

When you say about doing Rasgueados from the palm do you mean non- flicked type.?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 9 2014 4:30:12
 
rombsix

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RE: Some Questions on Rasgueado (in reply to withinity

quote:

I should have been a bit more specific in regards to the i,a,m,i Rasgueado that I use which is a downstroke for the first i and an up stroke for the last i.


Index down, ring down, middle down, index up? Super strange & very awkward for my right hand... I would do one of these instead:

Index down, ring down, middle down, index down

or

Index up, ring down, middle down, index down

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 9 2014 5:42:46
 
Kevin James Shanahan

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RE: Some Questions on Rasgueado (in reply to withinity

I down I up A M ,is good , you can flick your first I to get a strong accent. I can't imagine playing your sequence .

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 9 2014 7:29:20
 
crossoverman

 

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RE: Some Questions on Rasgueado (in reply to withinity

I was looking for the different rasgueos the last weeks too. I cant find anything good in doing your way. Just a,m,i down ,i up looks good for me. I see it for the best anatomical and physiological standard there.

How do you learn? Do you have a teacher or learn it from books? I use Gerhard Graf Martinez in combination with Juan Martin and Im really happy with this two in combination. I had a bit problem with the 4-finger rasgueo (with e) the first days as Martinez shows it. Couldnt get a good contact with e in the palm. Juan Martin did write different. he said that you have not to go in full contact with the palm there. So I changed for Martin and after 2 days I dont have any problems with this now.

The rasgueos are the most difficult technic for me, here in the beginning. Asa comming from steelstring I never used a kind of these technics. The now following technics are a lot easier for me and I walk on quickly. So much fun to play flamenco......

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 9 2014 9:10:10
 
Ricardo

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RE: Some Questions on Rasgueado (in reply to withinity

quote:

I should have been a bit more specific in regards to the i,a,m,i Rasgueado that I use which is a downstroke for the first i and an up stroke for the last i.


you were clear initially it's just that it goes against the natural flow to have m down then immediately i UP after....it requires, for speed and fluidity, to have the index sticking out before m even plays which ihhibits the comfy power of m stroke. I think we are all hoping you are making a typo here and simply mean you start i UP, then a-m-i down and a final i up stroke on 10....as a sub for the 5 stroke pattern of Ch-a-m-i-i....I mean we are hoping. Anyway Cepero and many others do this quite often in bulerias (i up, a m i down, i up).

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 9 2014 16:51:26
 
withinity

 

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RE: Some Questions on Rasgueado (in reply to withinity

Yeah its impossible to do that Rasg without your Index sticking out but i don't find that a problem as it is the first finger you stick out for the Rasgueado. I really don't find it strange though i have decided to reincorporate a,m,i,i in addition.

As for the other thing , it wasn't a typo at all and i kinda had a hunch that it was wrong so it really was a major inquiry in my post that got lost amongst the irregular Rasgueado.

So i gotta ask again what are my options in substituting that 5 stroke Rasg from beat 9-10 starting with a downstroke within the framework of a,m,i,i < can a 4 stroke rasg like that suffice if timed correctly or am i missing something. What are my options.

@ Crossover man

I learn mainly from book methods along with the audio from Juan Martin and recently with Manuel Granados which teaches one compas at a time, but i have also found other compasses along the way on some websites or in another books that i felt comfortable learning so i took it. I think a good teacher is invaluable though because they can look at you through an unbiased eye so at some point all of us need outside guidance especially us beginners.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 10 2014 23:37:52
 
Ricardo

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RE: Some Questions on Rasgueado (in reply to withinity

i down, m down, a down, i up.....I could see that. I think the one you do is awkward but if you have a good sound with it, it's fine. In the end rasgueado is personal. It's important to learn what others do but in the end it becomes a matter of taste and what works for you to make the sound and expression you want.


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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 11 2014 12:51:01
 
withinity

 

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RE: Some Questions on Rasgueado (in reply to withinity

Thanks for clearing that up , looking at it again i,m,a,i actually works better for me than the one I originally listed.
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