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Ruphus

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New Dimensions, New Times 

Yesterday there has been premiere in German TV for as far as I can oversee, in that first time there has been mentioned background of private interests behind a country´s happenings.
It was reported on oligarch´s interests with the turmoil in Ukraine.

As times and proportions drastically change, we will be seeing the unthought for other countries too. Mentionings of why and hows of oligarchs anywhere and their threading, including in the EU and USA.

This, because creaming off developed so grossly that there will be little sense in trying to cover it. The new proportions in conjunction with the effects of the internet is introducing a new state of reflection. We are getting to a point where mind shaping instances and media realize that keeping up the projection of conscientious economy will only leave them untrustworthy.

The factual contradictions of the illusory world have grown out of size.

Times are over when upper officials would do with some million dollars bribe offshore. When autocrats be content with sucking out some hundred millions of bucks from their country.

Whatever of rudimentary scruple there used to be, it has entirely vanished with a new level of illiteracy and crudity.
When the Arab countries had their "spring" their tyrans were reported to have had purloined between 40 to 100 billion $ each. ( BTW, anyone heard a single note about remains of those loots? No?
Don´t you wonder.)

Around here the top dog is being said to have extracted 300 billion.
And since yeterdays headlines we hear of the Chinese nomenklatura to have transfered € 3-4 trillion to their private accounts abroad.
( A claim they would had never even reacted to without the publicity of the internet. And the embezzlement likely would had neither been researched in the first place without the features of the internet. Long live the new medium of democracy!)
Can you fathom such numbers?!
Do you feel the unspeakable primitiveness of such excessively embezzling mindsets? - And they just ought to be the top of us! Examples of intelligence and integrity!

You wonder why you can´t feed your family with only one parent going for work, like it used to be? Why things - other than electronics- cost several times as much? You wonder why outcome becomes constantly harder to arrange for and why the hosts of empoverished are growing to your front door?

You wonder how come for instance that in EU parliament there are fabricated calculations standard that e.g. claim nuclear current was significantly less expensive than current form alternative technology, and thus plans established to build some hundred additional nuclear power plants in the EU ...
While actually nuclear current is 70% more expensive, with even enormous efforts for disposal of nuclear waste not yet considered?

You wonder how such bold and damaging suppression of truth is possible in democrat parliaments like Brussels? And that all the time?

Then you may also wonder how come the international pointing to Russia´s Putin ( reported as taking in 10 mio$ each for lobbyist consultations) as autocrat while in fact the policies at your home country are practically being the same.


And you may wonder where the legitimacy is, when democracy formally bans tyrant´s milking off from people, while the very democracy´s banks bow to incoming autocrats and the money they deposit in their bank house.

How come judicatives that will routingly kick your butt when you try to withhold your share of tax, or relentlessly frisk your lousy budget for "money laundering" ...
in the same time cannot see issue with single individuals who come ashore $ hundreds of billions of embezzled money?

In the same way as the proportions escalate, their covering up is getting less possible. The press is adapting with common sense to follow.
The caring-pharao bo||ocks of past 5000 years are going to show immensely.

Even todays most anaesthetized will understand a caste reality and actually private interests behind tomorrows public policies.

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2014 10:49:19
 
mezzo

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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

quote:

( A claim they would had never even reacted to without the publicity of the internet. And the embezzlement likely would had neither been researched in the first place without the features of the internet. Long live the new medium of democracy!)

I would not consider Internet as a democratic medium. It may look and taste like it is, but IMO Internet will become a coercitive tool for thought control. Potentially everyone could be under surveillance.
Maybe everybody is free to tell or report what they want, unmask political corruption and so on, that's true. And you could name that democracy. But you have to renounce to the liberty side of the concept. For Internet Big corporations WE ARE The product. They enchained us, they sell our datas to others corp. for targeted marketing purpose.
I don't see any liberty in this. Democracy without liberty means nothing, just illusions.

And meanwhile you're celebrating your New dimensional democratic era, the masters of the World* are celebrating in DAVOS with champagne cup and toast to the wonderfull democratic world they protect, develop and implement thanks to Internet freedom. Coz no longer crap could be hidden

(*not the politicians puppetts but Corporations and Corporate State)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2014 17:33:48
 
Anders Eliasson

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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

Great post mezzo. IMHO, democracy doesnt exist. Its just a word they use to make us shut up.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2014 19:46:32
 
Leñador

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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

The internet is what Google tells us it is. lol

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2014 20:47:46
 
Ruphus

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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

I am certain that you actually guessed the preceding relativity.

Informed about communication control long before internet times, I was expecting more census than actually occured to date ( over here it is said to be only 5 mio sites that are banned), and am amazed about the relative freedom it still provides.
When you search for immanently relevant phenomenons concerning labour surplus value or fake democracy you may find that the internet can be surprisingly blank. Same when you try to read up on routine crime of combines, finding all dead links and your browsers "no server reply" message.

And at some places it could already be just intranet with mirrored access. From where I am for instance there has just been a week where an online newspaper would load only with one day of delay. ( Tuesday showing news from Monday, etc.) While other sites remained `real time´.

So; right. There is more than plausible reason to suspect a gagging of the internet. And misuse anyway.
And it is unclear in how far control, bypassing or mirroring might be in action already. (Simple measures like censoring aside.)

Thus, when I celebrate the internet, then in respect of what there is of it, and out of gratitude of that.

Just to think of:
What would be after the mass castration of the press that has left us with mere dummies of once investigative editorials ... IOW, basically only with different degrees of yellow press ...
If there was no internet either?
Horror!

Even inhibited as is, and prone to seeing even more circumcision in the future: The Internet has been a very special gift with already invaluable benefits to the people.

If you realize how undemocratic the global reign actually is, you must be fascinated by the measure of authencity that the internet appears to bear still.
That is at least how I see it.

May it stay with us.

Ruphus

PS:
Keep in mind that the all-embracing control was there in the early eighties when the USA was already tracking all of electronic communication with analogue means. (Seeing from the means even more large-scaled than today, I´d say.)

Without internet today you would have the technical perfection of frisking and control, only without the informative advantages of the internet.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2014 21:03:59
 
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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

Ruphus, Good post but I too wonder if the inter-web isn't just a tool for the elites to keep on eye or pulse on the masses. I think it started as a great idea but has been usurped for more evil than good. Of course I watch the Matrix way too much so I'm probably paranoid. :)

"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it."
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2014 21:26:24
 
Ruphus

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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

I have no clue about how evil could develop yet. Evil is just so much more versatile and featured than decency.

But your very interesting post is an invitation to playing around a bit.
Matrix´base was the direct milking of human body through advanced aliens.

What we appear to have on earth on the other hand is more trivial.
It is the rampant freaking out of dysfunctional human psyche.
To that human bodies are largely useless ( other than sporadically / on small scale for abuse or transplants ).
The actual exploiter rather need secondary products from the bodies.
Mainly labour, errand, service ... and on higher scale with partial feature of mind as specialized staff ... and not at last as adoring mass of entourage and paria.

For, the deranged human being is ordinarily compensating for essential emotional supply.
Its pathological greed only serving to vainly provide originally lacking emotional and physcial satisfaction.
The gross accumulation of goods is aimed to work as means, bait and substitute. A by-product to a desperate longing for satisfactory of basic human drives.

Anyway, to analog the Matrix the suspended bodies must drain recognition, empathy, loyality ... admiration, and ideally love.
Most perfect for the crippled soul appear to be hosts of servil and adoring sub-humans.
Such created submission albeit never compensating for his painful missings, with the deranged in the same time not being of the cognitive capacity to realize the futilility of the concept.
Most of the times not even aware of the ego concept, lest of the basing complex.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2014 22:24:53
 
mezzo

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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

quote:

Keep in mind that the all-embracing control was there in the early eighties when the USA was already tracking all of electronic communication with analogue means. (Seeing from the means even more large-scaled than today, I´d say.)

Without internet today you would have the technical perfection of frisking and control, only without the informative advantages of the internet.


Internet is not a bad thing in itself, but one needs to be aware of the dark side of the force. I certainly not gonna idealize it.
As I see it, it's a good tool for alot of things but in return corporations behind it deprive us from some basic rights.
I'm not speaking about Governemental spying. After all a spy is there for collect infos. So every Nation (as Public entity) spy on his citizens, that's nothing new. Even if the latest whistleblower uncover how far this could go and how high collusion with mercantile sector is in that Surveillance State.
No, what piss me off is that if you want to use some services or plateform Corp. they put there for "free", you have to agree with their term of use. Of course you're free to refuse agreement, but in that case, you cannot use the plateform. So the ultimate freedom they let you is the right to ostracize yourself.
The point is that in their terms of use, they explain you how they gonna collect your datas, sell them to others corp., how they're gonna deprive you from your own work since all you put on their cloud became their property...of course this is not explained like this but it's drown behind pages and pages of technical blabla, that nobody is going to read anyway.
Again it's all about bizness and making big money. Nothing is free, we are the product, we as potential consumers are the target of all this organized and systematic datas collects. Now Google could even use our name, fotos and such for propaganda purpose. If you like a restaurant, a book or a sexshop then they use our thought as a marketing method and send this to your e-relations or to the www if they're looking for something similar.
Where's the freedom? Yes we're free to talk about what you want, that's democratic fun. Otherwise there's freedom to ostracize yourself.


quote:

The internet is what Google tells us it is. lol

good epitome.
Even in country where freedom of speech is not a high value, Google make $$ . Morality is not a good buziness's friend.
Moral is good for politicians and other freemarket fundamentalist to agitate in front of the mass, Corporations do not care about it, money is money after all!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2014 23:07:33
 
chester

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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to mezzo

It's great to have ideals, but I think it's also important to stay rooted in the real world.

'Democracy' is just a name for our current political system (if you live in a 'democratic' nation that is). It doesn't really mean that the people rule. Even in ancient Greece (where you might think a 'true' democracy existed) there were plenty of disenfranchised people who had even less power over their government than we do now. Still, I think it's preferable to being ruled by a king's 'divine right'.

'Freedom' is an illusion. It has never existed. We are living beings, chained to seeking nutritional and emotional sustenance throughout our entire lives. We are slaves to our bodies (anyone who has ever gotten sick or even hungry can attest to that), and will most likely lose our sanity without positive social interaction.

The government isn't denying us our 'freedom', it is in actuality an unattainable ideal.

But relatively speaking, I think we do have more freedom/information about the world around us than past generations. Not all, but much of it is due to the internet.

Of course politicians lie to their constituents/each other, but now they are frequently exposed through wikileaks. Whistleblowers like Snowden can disseminate information more easily using the WWW. The 'occupy' movement (although regarded largely as a failure) brought social inequality into mainstream discussions. I'm not old enough to have experienced it, but I can imagine information like this was easily squashed several decades ago.

Are these injustices easily fixable? Probably not, but at least we're aware of them.

Don't lose hope, the neocons keep accumulating power while we idle hopelessly and maintain the status quo.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 24 2014 8:03:36
 
Ruphus

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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

Natural dependencies ought not inevitably add up to enslaved being. Not at all.

We are since some thousand years now systematically being programmed to believe that status quo was only consequential, but actually it is paradox.

At and intellectual state of yielding amazing technology we are in the same time incapable of grasping yet most simple matters of course. And at an adequate anthropolgical state of nesting in pragmatism, solidarity, pleasure and high comfort, we are instead vegetating like prairie dogs. - Only that we have fallen far behind their level of social cohesion.

What is basically going wrong should be fairly simple to understand, however the cognitive processing of underdogs is happening in discrete chambers. Allowing employ of complex enough special subjects to serve as work horse, yet of no coherent intellect to realize the yet most blatant conditions.

The quote of that Matrix dialogue that Sig posted above, really hits the nail on its head.


Among the things urgently needed ( after the inalienability of labour surplus value, targeting of usury, profiteering and of sabotaging) is a fundamental change in educational systems.
The inquired discrete dealing must be exchanged with the opposite, associative thinking.
Principal matter like ethics must be elementary didactics, and personal support.
Skills of discourse must be enhanced.
For substantial decrease of criminal spirit subjects like meditation or autegene training should be part of the schedule, and according to very interesting latest insights: Learning of impulse suppression ( which can be done very easily).
And not at last for the rational: dedicated talent recognition and furthering.

As long as there persist an ( howsoever fake) votive of democracy ( IOW, no introduction of open slavery happening) essentials like the above are rather likely going to be occuring. Only, as I fear, not in time anymore to enable life in a natural environment.
Without it, without fellow species and recreational refuge / connection, human cannot stay human. For nature has always been our teacher, and as kind of an autodidact instead we will not be the same / be lost.

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 24 2014 10:06:43
 
z6

 

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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

quote:

Evil is just so much more versatile and featured than decency.


Beautifully put Ruphus. I've binned my pathetic rant as it obscures the better rants.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 24 2014 13:06:13
 
Ruphus

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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

Hi Z,

How it reminds me of the dysfunctional management my cousin tells me about, who works in the IT department of a German phone company.
That company is structured in a way that supports all contra productivity.
If you got a clue, you will stay work horse, if you got no clue you will rise up the ladder of career ( and even in no time). And with the structure as is, there is no interest into efficiency, for, efficiency would only dismantle the bloated hierachy of extremely overpaid yet useless dumbs.

When my big sister was doing her assistance doc in hospital, she was desperating over all those deaths which would only result from single chiefs´ incompetence in conjunction with vanity.

Only days ago in Germany there were headlines about needless death toll in hospitals ( several times as much than traffic deaths).
These days the needless dying in the medicine sector ought to be even larger than at those times of my sister decades ago. Because of the vastly expanded subjects and in the same time decreased intelligence of students and graduates.
-

To tell you the truth, appreciating the planet and its beautiful evolution, I welcome all that reduces us insane vandals in numbers. But that won´t lessen the fact of inhumane, carless and berserk being evident in pharmaceutical and medical sector. ( With especially the pharmaceutic combines belonging to the most radical and shameless financial racketeers of the people.)

Hippocrates is definitly twisting in his grave.

I wish you a new position where you may be able to fully put your knowledge into constructive projects.
( - Like for instance with prophylaxis against childern mortality. A partial cause of overpopulation coming from parental reaction / prevention against child mortality. Just saying.)

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 24 2014 14:42:53
 
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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to z6

I have met four people who work in PR or logistics for drugs companies in the past year.

In the previous forty I met nil. The PR people are very stupid in general and believe their press releases. This is because they are pathological gossips and company people like most second rate journalists and first rate salesmen.

In personal conversations the people in logistics start off attempting to baffle with 'science' and the presumed morality of the industry. This is because ambition is the last resort of failure. This does not go well with me because I have little patience for this kind of evasive self aggrandising tack. They usually have enough intellect to eventually begin to discuss the real issues and their own moral problems with the obfuscation of the vast majority of test results.

I listen to Radio 4 and every few months these PR drones bribe and bully the media into telling us that we need to pay extra for some medication or other. I listen very carefully for details of the design and methodology of the studies which present these advances (ie for 30 grand you can take the pill of last resort as you die and it may have lenghtened your life by a day..... or not). The word metastudy is never mentioned. No PR person interviewed is asked for information on unpublished studies or PR budgets.

Most inefficient industries were eviscerated by the takeover and trim and sell aggression of the eighties and nineties. But since a large part of the budget for drug companies goes to slush funds lobbying and bribery the drug industry proved resistant to this 'streamlining'.

We have dreadful TV drug PR excercises like House MD where we are encouraged that the only thing that may save our lives is the most super duper doctor, unbudgeted and interminable testing, the latest super duper drugs administered in the most expensive hospitals.

It is all **** but what can you say. People want to one day throw their lifesavings away for the chance to rattle around full of pills in Florida dreaming of a one piece bowel movement.

This is the last great gravy train since the appetite for foreign intervention and the procurement practices and gravy trains associated with it are having a temporary lull.

So an army of drones are now being mobilised in Britain to encourage us to cheer as the NHS is dismantled. With their immoral pathological science and horsesh1t message of health at the forefront of technology and personal empowerment through added expense.

Here is my advice

Live healthily and don't listen to science you do not have the tools to debunk. Pay nurses well and never trust a doctor with a set of golfclubs in his office.

Do not cheer when changes to the NHS mean your children could potentially lose their life savings every time your grandchild coughs.

And all of this to feed a gravy train stuffed to the gunnels with hacks and liars.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 24 2014 15:25:45
 
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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

So what's the deal, D, is the UK doing away with universal health care and going to an American style system? I'm kind of in a permanent news fast, so I'm not up to date.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 25 2014 2:07:53
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Miguel de Maria

I don't like to be surprised.

But I wish I more often was.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 25 2014 3:48:19
 
Ruphus

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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

I remember how folks in Germany were reacting in the mid eighties, when I started suspecting that the state would successively unload social insurances and deliver these to hand-rubbing insurance industry.
People would than be in complete disbelieve, replying like: "No way!"

And indeed what´s left of social insurance is not much more than a fig leaf while people are forced to shoulder private insurances´fantasy fees with their net income.

Don´t know how the shares are like now in GB, but there used to be reports in the nineties about desolate condition of UK healthcare facilities, indicating that the cash flow must had been reduced already considerably.

Pharmaceutical and supply industries´ inflated prices resultetd in such ways that plain days in hospital cost thousands of bucks while in the same time the overworked staff is badly underpaid.

It is amazing how circumstances can be such obvious while the causing industries can keep getting away unmentioned ( even among doctors I talked to), only for the bribe crumbs the pharma companies distribute among officials.

This is the great variety with self-completing evil.
The more you can drain off / blackmail from dependent, the less of the giant profit you need to reinvest as bribe, so that your methods of creaming off stay shielded from public mind.

As a medium-sized average enterprise in a banana republic you may need to share some 10-50% for to bribe officials and have your biz running ( often enough just for your mere right). Whereas as a financial big player with astronomical returns for quasi nada you only need to reinvest single percentage or even just per mils for to buy the whole official landscape.

The worse ethically, the better economically under capitalism.

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 25 2014 9:09:22
 
z6

 

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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to guitarbuddha

For me, the sign of an evolved society is free healthcare and education for all.

/rant

It's the least we can, communally, expect and offer, as we are all robbed by governments. But bloated government and expensive wars take precedence. (And let's face it. The National Heath service is the number one killer in the UK. Just as the Catholic church, is, as it has always been, the number one paedophile ring. But nobody (with the power to act) cares. These people walk free. A monstrous, astronomically rich men's club with a history of naught but misery and evil. But on they go. I watched a PR Cardinal, an American guy on telly, actually moaning and whining as people were 'picking on the church'. I have no religion but I 'pray' a hell exists for these people to burn in.)

In the UK the tennancy laws caused the banking madness (with many other things but the market needed, above all, demand, a final end place). Creating money needs an outlet so let's allow everyone to borrow anything. Is there a single public employee, in the UK, who is not also a landlord?

It's the Highland clearances in slow step-time. The same nitwits who oversaw (helped to cause) the global crisis were put in charge of solving things but until the UK allows good tenants tenure, then nothing can be solved. The government are still pouring debt down the throats of the poor with their 'help to get on the ladder'. If one pays one's rent, on time, in the UK, the landlord can send the baliffs or sheriffs round to evict families. However, if a tenant does not pay rent they have the full protection of the law as precedence was set when a judge decided that eviction was too much of a punishment for late rent payment (and he's right but what about the people being punished for being good tenants but the landlord wants to 'flip'?) It is all, officially, upside down. So, the best tenants are the ones who never worked but receive state support so that the people who work for the state can all be landlords. The few remaining 'workers' foot the bill. There is even now a campaign to force landlords to allow 'longer leases' for families. Thus ensuring, by their good deeds, that landlords will, in future, not even rent to families.

If there is one advantage (and for sure in any other circtumstance it could hardly be described as such) that Spain has in this mess is that it has already had its housing crash. This is no comfort to people trapped within but the genral economy can, theorietically, recover as it has a real thing to recover from. (Although any recovery, we can all be assured, will be mishandled and bungled and corrupted by the politicians and their banker buddies.)

In the UK property prices are still in the stratosphere. When interests rates head north (and being almost zero there is only one place to go) the property bubble will finally burst.

Most frightening is the current profileration, in the UK, of loan sharking at rates of 5,000% pa, or more. The only sound from the authorities is that lenders should make sure that borrowers can pay, before they lend. Nothing at all about capping these monstrous interest rates. (Try missing a few paymnets on even the smallest amounts, at those rates and watch the power of compound interest turn a payday loan into a number fit for measuring the distance of a star.)

Companies, landlords, utilities, politicians; we need laws to protect us from them, their whims. Social responsibility must be introduced. A property market where one can rent one's property is fine. But one cannot be permitted to evict people, who take care of the property and pay on time. With tenure, the property bubbles become short of a couple of million landlords who can't live with the idea that their tenant might live for years before they leave or die.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 25 2014 9:57:17
 
Ruphus

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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

Incredible; 5000% pa, and that legally!?
I know that usury is practically excluded from capitalist juristic perception, but I really hadn´t thought such rates to be legally possible anywhere.

As you say a government should be of and for the people.
However, the states are set up for upside-down conduct. If you wanted states to protect the people you would need to fundamentally rework constitutions first.
These, praised in every school book and mainstream press as allegedly perfectly philanthropic, are actually badly arbitrary and often times basically injust.

Starting with the legitimated alienation of labour yields (which means giving up of people´s own best interest with lifetime, health and pretty much all that makes for quality of life) and further through many more of deprivations. Like the toleration and backup of blatantly tailored traps in contract, the shifting back and forth of duty to proof between defendant and accuser, only depending of what individually serves the superior.

Until not too long ago there was still included priority of possessions over right on health ( material rated over value of person) or right to physically mistreat within marriage, etc.

When repair of thelike sections was aimed at decades ago, it would have been a nobrainer of sincere policy to overhaul the whole of constitutions from scratch. The constitutions general inconsistencies were obvious and could had been targeted already.
Same with the undemocratic characteristics of indirect elections, parliamental immunity, etc.pp.
The constitutions of the backwarded and privileged should had been renewed and stuffed with basics of human right, like for instance special concern with primare demands like education, nutrition, housing and health.

All in a true state of the people to be strictly exluded from profiteering.
Instead we are having the exact opposite, with essentials like nutrition, housing and specially pharmaceutics / med supply being misused for levering some of the most extreme profit margins.

Further, upright ruling would acknowledge the existence of reason and the need of reasonable trade.
For, the philosophical insight that everything is subjective does not at all mean that price scheduling at any proportion was justified.
The value of a goods instead is being determined by the efforts taken to provide, not by the potential to squeeze of it nor any other arbitrainess.

A topical constitution would never dismiss the fact that money is a placeholder for labour, lifteime, health and life quality of working people.
And with it in place, it could had never come to the industrial hydrocephalus we are having meanwhile; with some 60 to 80% of the economy wedging in between / slicing off from 20 to 40% share of little people who are actually producing. And that on top at humiliating pay.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 25 2014 11:06:02
 
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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

Ach well, lets keep the rants a rollin'.

I live in Glasgow Scotland. In winter the water from the tap is as cold and delicious as water can be.

Lots of people try and fob you off with bottled water, even in Scotland.

Some people seem keen to reject the near perfect and to replace it the inferior. The majority of the money goes to packaging, marketing and dividends. And all this for a tiny bit of status and a disgusting product.

This is late stage capitalism. We put a box in our home which is the receptacle for billions of dollars of carefully constructed misinformation. Then we make choices against our own interests as if this was freedom.

Worse still some 'evolved' people see this and think, 'I am too smart to be fooled and if these others aren't then they deserve their lot'. This is not a moral position. It is just another price that people pay for a little bit of status.... the usery of countless others.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 25 2014 14:48:43
 
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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to guitarbuddha

Okay, I'll take a rip at it. Just so you know, in a few hours I'm going to be playing a gig for a Fortune 10 company... hey, you gots to make a living.

I think the biggest problem in America, and perhaps the Western world, is the lack of trust. We have lost trust in the institutions--school, military, healthcare companies, insurance, banks, politicians--all of them! We don't trust them, so we expend great amounts of energy either "verifying" (as in, trust, but verify), fighting them, or learning how to avoid them. But this is a disaster. How can we teach our own, be minutemen, be our own doctors, insure ourselves, manage our money, etc? The answer is, we can't do everyone's jobs--we have to trust people at some point, or we just burn up at both ends.

So how can we trust institutions? When we are aware that schools are mostly about propagandizing, military about subjugating, healthcare about addicting and extracting, insurance about extorting, banks about looting, politicians simply facilitating the rich? On a lower level, can we trust a "social media company" to promote our businesses for $399/month just because they say they will? Can we trust a webguy to "do SEO" for us because we paid him thousands of dollars? Can we assume that a real estate agent is actually going to act in our best interests because he says he will? Do we know our guitar teacher is trying to help us, or does he want to string us along to get his $40 each week?

It does make it hard to operate in this capitalistic society, when there is no way to be reasonably sure your purchases, of goods or services, are authentic; yet it's impossible to be a self-sufficient island.

No wonder people are into religion!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 25 2014 16:40:34
 
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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to guitarbuddha

Beverly Hills tought us not to express the negative. It is supposed to be uselessly sad, and the culprits to vanish the buddhist way.
What you don´t look at won´t come to exist either. Didn´t you know.
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Exact same thoughts here about bottled water, since when it came up. ( At least eyeing from German standards where tap water is largely alright and used to be even better when the water bottles came up.)

Same principle observed in Costa Rica where fresh and delicious juice is offered in the streets, whilst the youmngsters prefer the chic of dropping in at fast food chains and order famous fizzy for at least double the price. Can you say emperor´s clothes.


quote:

ORIGINAL: guitarbuddha

Worse still some 'evolved' people see this and think, 'I am too smart to be fooled and if these others aren't then they deserve their lot'.


Perfidious of such kind in fact are being rewarded for their perceived buddy being and friendly entertainment. Just like on the contrary folks being weary of sincere democrats for their pesky bad messages.

Not much changed since bovine times before discovery of subjectivity, when couriers of bad news used to be beheaded.
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According to todays news, the Australian companies entrusted with laying out hooks for sharks have rejected the jobs.
There is brain out there.

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 25 2014 16:59:43
 
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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

Miguel,

Been thinking exactly about the borderless misuse of trust in the charity section. ( After a short report on how students deliberately wanting to help with teaching children in Cambodia are merely fleeced as tourists.)

You are so right.
Relieved of over 90% of my belongings, I had to understand in the past years that you just cannot find out about absent authencity of phoney individuals.

Yet, it appears rather clear to me that societies can be maintained to exclude corruption.
Actual aim provided there are many ways and enough ingeniousity to prevent a misuse of community.

The traditional claim of inavitability has been implantet by the corrupt themselves.
Just mentioning, aside.

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 25 2014 17:16:40
 
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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

The late wealth statistics from today.





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Seriously: Do you consider it natural that people can be presented such scandalous statistics and take it with a shrug?
Or let me put it this way:
The shrug obviously provided;
Do you estimate that we are still having all of our marbles?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 27 2014 18:44:27
 
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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

quote:

And let's face it. The National Heath service is the number one killer in the UK


I just wondered what was the factual basis for this statement?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 28 2014 6:24:01
 
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While it appears that common sense has been programmed to skip a striking caste system, some top dogs might yet not be satisfied with the perfection of the standstill agreement.
Societal acceptance crowned by hosts of lemmings who actively welcome their owner elite as "providers of jobs" :OP seem not good enough. Some modern pharaos seem to yet request a total subjugation like under the early predecessors in ancient Egypt.

According to todays headline US billionaire Tom Perkins in a letter to the Wall Street Journal complained about an "increasing hatred" against the rich. And he compared it to the persecution of Jews under the Third Reich dictature. In his opinion there are parallels between the nazi regime´s action against Jewish people and "the war" against Americas´s one percent of super rich.

Although considering it important that public may understand the pathological background of boundless accumulation of possession, I don´t think it of priority to focus on the human quality behind the global deprivation.
Admittedly, I do wonder how the super rich do away with their effects out there.
How they keep the miserable and destructed out of sight. And when radically omitting it live, how do they zap away from it in the TV ...

But anyway, as a Mr. Perkins has just proven so obviously, if so desired a human being can indeed isolate itself completely from the world and from comparativeness.

This sort of wannabe master race will predictably be wanting to give back only when the damages can´t be undone anymore and when the underdogs be actually irreconcilable.
A Day After scene that noone in his right mind can be wanting.

If both the Johnny Head-in-the-Air sorts of Perkins majesties and the anaesthetized pedestrians are not going to wake up very soon the ecological end will be reached, with only cruel and vain riots as finish.

If I see that right, merely little hope can be on the small people who after a history of brain wash meanwhile are too much lacking humble sanity and reason to yet discern most basic of mechanisms.

Strangely there should rather be chances of impulse to a turnaround coming from the basically decent within the rich and super rich themselves.
Namely from the minority of theirs who have started sensing a perversity of status quo and who ( rather less efficiently) have partially even taken attempts already towards introducing sane measures.

The blue planet so it seems must hope for their discovery of what actually comprises human rights.

That´s altogether a couple thousand of heads and their hopeful concertation that we seem to depend on for turning the scale.
Quite a small-chanced poker game if you ask me.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 28 2014 11:36:50
 
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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Graham_B

quote:

ORIGINAL: Graham_B

quote:

And let's face it. The National Heath service is the number one killer in the UK


I just wondered what was the factual basis for this statement?


That could be from late estimations on deaths due to mismanagement in the health sector / hospitals and practices.
In Germany I think these numbers outstrip those of the other greats like of nicotine, diabetes / cardio or traffic toll.
And in GB that might be even worse.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 28 2014 11:42:05
 
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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

wow...ya'll so depressing again. The world is F ing BEAUTIFUL! we all are lucky to experience this brief moment in time. Wealth is not colored pieces of paper or statistics in a bank statement. Once you realize it, you understand what freedom is. Viva flamenco!, arsa y toma!!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 30 2014 6:45:42
 
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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Graham_B

graham, how about 1,200 deaths at a single hospital:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stafford_Hospital_scandal

Or we could generalize, as this 'problem' seems endemic. Perhaps this would serve as 'evidence':

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/health/news/article3684859.ece

http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/update/2013-07-16/alarming-death-rates-in-our-hospitals-report-says/

http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/story/2013-07-16/hospitals-await-deaths-report/#hundreds-of-unnecessary-deaths-at-basildon-trust_232059

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/09September/Pages/death-risk-much-higher-in-English-than-US-hospitals.aspx

Or we could talk about Stoke Manderville, a hospital that not only managed to kill patients by the skipload but also gave free rein to 'Sir' (he was a knight of the realm) Jimmy Saville. They even put him in charge of the hospital for a spell.

Over many years he sexually abused sick children at the hospital. Even when he was reported, it was ignored. But somehow the staff at the hospital just never cottoned on to the fact that he was abusing the most defenseless little children in thier care.


This man was famous. In the public eye.

On a more personal note. A loved one of mine was killed by the staff at a hospital in Edinburgh. She went in for what seemed almost nothing and first they turned her into a vegatable, then they killed her.

I was shown the 'records' right after her death. I was going nuts. I couldn't belive how long it had taken them to get to her after she had rung her emergency distress signal.

I was shown the same documents some days later and they had been changed. The doctors and the nurses had to have colluded in the change. They offered me an internal investigation. I declined.

The standard of cleanliness at many uk hospitals is a disgrace.

British hospitals are dangerous, and often filthy, places.

I have defended the health service for years but it has atrophied to a place that none of us could have imagined was possible.

And how many mental health institutions are now being investigated for staff torturing the poor souls within?

This is not an argument for or against anything. It simply touches on Ruphus's definition of evil as the absence of decency. All that we need is people just doing their best to do the right thing. It doesn't seem complicated.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 30 2014 9:40:22
 
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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ricardo

Good to see your input!

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

wow...ya'll so depressing again. The world is F ing BEAUTIFUL! we all are lucky to experience this brief moment in time.

Only that some would prefer to experience that moment in time with the well-being it could mean to everyone and their environment. At least however without needlessly gross misery.

Midst an escalation that made even personalities like the pope or the president of the US concerned about an accelerating accumulation of the super rich / the social gap, as expressed by them just yesterday and the day before, ...
To you alike concerns must appear baseless / hysterical, in a world that is still twisting after all?



quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Once you realize it, you understand what freedom is. Viva flamenco!, arsa y toma!!


Good that you mention freedom, as I´ve been pondeing about exactly that over the past days.

I grew up with the number one of investigative editorials, which once was "Der Spiegel".
In its high-times a paper like that used to make its occasional deals, receiving information in return for keeping quiet on other informational bits.

This has changed since over 20 years. With now pretty much the whole landscape of press being obedient to the establishment.
The only revealings you see since then are rejections from within cartells themselves. Offerings of deserters or competition by reigning networks.

From there the situation about truth on policies is tightly sealed since decades now.
Not worse enough, these days there seems one further point to become clear. Which is the unlikeness of leakings.
If lesser aware minds used to trust on remaining covered as informer of any investigative journalism, now after the public understanding about services like NSA ( and their complete suppliers from alikes like telephone companies, Acrobat, facebook, yahoo, google etc.) every potential informant will know that their discovery is instant.

This should mean that the times of investigative and sincere journalism will basically be over / hardly ever exceeding limits set by controlling instances.

Which again means the full subjection of common sense, with exactly NULL CHANCE of ever resisting any coming form of undemocratic government. The ready platform for total dictature.

Willing informants will be restricted to revealing oneself in the same time.
Just like with the cases currently given, which the US state is firmly intending to make detering examples of, for a reason.
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So, what freedom are you talking about?
The freedom of staying deprived of personal production value, now with ever less crumbs left to the producing individual?
Or is it just that you think concerned minds weren´t aware of the mere privilege of being alive?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 30 2014 11:10:54
 
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RE: New Dimensions, New Times (in reply to Ruphus

quote:

So, what freedom are you talking about?

Ruphus you don't get it coz you aren't fluent in Newspeak. Try hard to learn it first and Ricardo's post will eventually sound coherent!

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