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El Burro Flamencuro

 

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Hello all, i want to try and learn this Taranta. I have heard different falsetas from many of his different tarantas in this one...including some from : Viva la Union, aires de linares, and a little of fuente y caudal i think.
I have the transcription to Aire de linares, and fuente y caudal. Just need Viva la Union and i think i might have all the parts to the taranta he plays here.
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Erik van Goch

 

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RE: Looking for Paco De Lucia - Viva... (in reply to El Burro Flamencuro

Why not try to ear/eye play the missing parts yourself? It's a fundamental pillar of every ambitious flamenco player.
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El Burro Flamencuro

 

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RE: Looking for Paco De Lucia - Viva... (in reply to Erik van Goch

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Why not try to ear/eye play the missing parts yourself? It's a fundamental pillar of every ambitious flamenco player.

good idea, i guess i worry to much of getting a part wrong and memorizing it without knowing.
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Erik van Goch

 

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RE: Looking for Paco De Lucia - Viva... (in reply to El Burro Flamencuro

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ORIGINAL: El Burro Flamencuro

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Why not try to ear/eye play the missing parts yourself? It's a fundamental pillar of every ambitious flamenco player.

good idea, i guess i worry to much of getting a part wrong and memorizing it without knowing.

I used to work out the notes playing the record at half speed (i still use an old tape recorder myself but precent day computer provide various good alternatives). I used to be pretty good in it, partly because i did it all my life (staring in the belly) but mostly because i did it very thorough, listening to a single note a 1000 times if necessary just to be sure. Once you captured the correct notes you have to figure out the musical idea behind them and how to execute that idea on the guitar. Depending on your level of experience it might take seconds or a **** lot of time but it is extremely rewarding on the long run.

At precent day i have the pleasant choice of working things out "note by note" (more and more at full speed) or just capturing the idea while making my own version.... or to compose acceptable things myself. I once worked out a Tomatito falseta (the one Ricardo selected to show how to study) without having a record of it and even without ever hearing the original version. It was payed by some of my classmates and i liked it a lot. So i reconstructed the falseta by memory and came up with a very likable result. Later when his encuentro video came into my possession it turned out i played 1 note differently then Tomatito himself.... and favored my version over his :-)

But before i allowed myself the freedom to play things my way (not counting making things more playable for my level of playing) i studied/played original material note by note for years. Pinning down every note reveals the personal habits of the composers and gives you incredible insight of how they deal with things. Vicente for instance uses ghost notes every now and then (open strings that don't really fit in but replace the notes you would expect/like to play/hear), allowing him to change position while cheating with the notes. If you play them full speed and not to noticeable the brain is fouled, hearing the notes it expects to hear rather then the notes that are really played. That Tomatito note i mentioned in a way was a ghost note as well.

So just give it a go. It's nice to capture the exact notes/feeling but even if you do miss a note or two or screw up other things it's still a very meaningful experience and a great way to become more experienced. On top, don't trust everything that is printed. If you compare Moraito's slow and up speed versions on his encuentro video they differ as well and Vicente once upgraded one of his alegrias picado runs for his first record, changing some of his trick notes for the ones everybody was expecting/hearing in the first place.... funny enough the ones doing "a bad job" in earplaying his pre record version ended up playing the version Vicente himself favored for the actual recording later on :-)
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El Burro Flamencuro

 

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RE: Looking for Paco De Lucia - Viva... (in reply to El Burro Flamencuro

@ Erik
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At precent day i have the pleasant choice of working things out "note by note"

Hey man thanks a lot for the insight. I think you're right, in that it will only help me; especially because i usually record video of my teacher playing the lesson material and have to learn the material from that. So this will only reinforce that way of learning.
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RE: Looking for Paco De Lucia - Viva... (in reply to El Burro Flamencuro

I've found "Transcribe" to be maybe the most useful program I own. Slow down tempos without changing pitch, change pitch without changing tempo. It supports some video formats too.....

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El Burro Flamencuro

 

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RE: Looking for Paco De Lucia - Viva... (in reply to Leñador

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I've found "Transcribe" to be maybe the most useful program I own. Slow down tempos without changing pitch, change pitch without changing tempo. It supports some video formats too.....

Sweet, thanks for the info. I'll definitely check that program out; i haven't heard of it before this.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2014 22:11:23
 
Erik van Goch

 

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RE: Looking for Paco De Lucia - Viva... (in reply to El Burro Flamencuro

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I think you're right, in that it will only help me; especially because i usually record video of my teacher playing the lesson material and have to learn the material from that. So this will only reinforce that way of learning.

My father made the best flamenco transcriptions known to me (hundreds of them) but in his lessons it's all monkey see monkey do because that's the base of learning flamenco. The transcriptions are only given as a memory, although the experienced players are allowed to select and study material of their level/liking in front of the lesson. My father is very careful not to give transcriptions to students who are not ready to play them yet because they will most probably make a mess of it, making that music unfit for future lessons ....it's harder to unlearn misconceptions then to learn it correctly from the start so your fear to make mistakes also counts for studying written material, even from the best source.
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