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ralexander

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RE: What's the deal with steel strin... (in reply to guitarbuddha

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Here is Moreno Winterstein showing that gypsies also play steel strings.


Cool stuff, but I much prefer the natural miked tone of these Manouche guitars over the pickups these guys are using.

I have Django's Honeysuckle Rose as my cell ringtone for my wife! We used to always listen to Django around the house on Sundays. Strong coffee, good breakfast and some Hot Club always proved a good hangover cure for me.

Without music, I think I would curl up and die.

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guitarbuddha

 

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RE: What's the deal with steel strin... (in reply to ralexander

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ORIGINAL: ralexander



Cool stuff, but I much prefer the natural miked tone of these Manouche guitars over the pickups these guys are using.




I know what you mean. I don't know what it is about that performance, I dismissed it the first time I heard it, all the mistakes, piercing glassy sound etc but then I found myself going back to it, and it couldn't be a less 'nylon' easthetic.

Here is a more classic sound for you. You can get good look at Stochelo's right hand, exactly like pulgar, all downstrokes are rested.

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guitarbuddha

 

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ORIGINAL: ralexander

Without music, I think I would curl up and die.



Yeah me too Ryan, like a salted slug.

D.

D for David.
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ralexander

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RE: What's the deal with steel strin... (in reply to guitarbuddha

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Here is a more classic sound for you. You can get good look at Stochelo's right hand, exactly like pulgar, all downstrokes are rested.


Ahhhh that's the stuff! Thanks for posting, David! I have indeed heard these cats before, they're doing great justice to the genre.

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Paul Magnussen

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RE: What's the deal with steel strin... (in reply to estebanana

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Tommy Emmanuel is like salsa that is way too hot, a bit is good, but a whole bowl full is not edible. He is a showman and he puts it on because lots of folks go see him for that burning rubber in the parking lot kind of appeal.


Louis XIV put the matter in a nutshell, when some bloke “who laboured for a long While to be able to Sing, Play and Dance three different Airs at once” was presented to him by his courtiers as “a wonderful Person”.

The King watched for a while, and said:

“What this man does may be very difficult, but it is not pleasing.

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Jeff Highland

 

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RE: What's the deal with steel strin... (in reply to ralexander

Having followed Tommy Emmanuel's career since I first saw him live in '78, I consider him a very talented Guitarist, but as far as the music he is now producing, the repertoire generally leaves me fairly cold.

Over here he is appreciated for basically pioneering solo acoustic guitar in Australia and for the fact that he is personally such a warm and generous guy.
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ralexander

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RE: What's the deal with steel strin... (in reply to Jeff Highland

re: TE - He IS extremely talented, and by all accounts very generous with his fans. I've seen lots of youtube videos of him jamming and chatting with fans after his shows. He seems like an awesome guy for sure.

Check out this particularly insane version of Guitar Boogie - makes me think of Stevie Ray Vaughan (LOVE Stevie, I worshiped him for years when I was playing a lot of electric guitar):



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FredGuitarraOle

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RE: What's the deal with steel strin... (in reply to ralexander

I thought this might fit well in this thread:

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HolyEvil

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RE: What's the deal with steel strin... (in reply to ralexander

I can't believe people who thinks Tommy Emmanuel as just a show pony, technical only.
He has made some beautiful music with some beautiful technique..
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James I of England put the matter in a nutshell, when some juggler was presented to him by his courtiers as “a marvellous fellow”.

The King watched for a while, and said:

“What this man does may be very difficult, but it is not pleasing.”


Said of Narvaez the vihuelist: ( who jammed on gut strung boxes )

“There was in Valladolid in my youth, a vihuelist named Narvaez, of such extraordinary musical skill, that upon four parts in mensural music in a book, he improvised on the vihuela another four, a thing miraculous to those who did not understand music, and to those who understood it, most miraculous” Zapata de Chavez, 1592

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guitarbuddha

 

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RE: What's the deal with steel strin... (in reply to Guest

Yep Django is still THE MAN.

D.
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guitarbuddha

 

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ORIGINAL: HolyEvil

I can't believe people who thinks Tommy Emmanuel as just a show pony, technical only.
He has made some beautiful music with some beautiful technique..


I kind of agree with that. But he really has earned the nickname 'Them Abominable Showman.'

He seems like two different people. There is the sober and deep recording artist who's work I enjoy. Then there is the other guy, onstage, I really don't care for that guy.

D.
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estebanana

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RE: What's the deal with steel strin... (in reply to ralexander

Re: Tommy- Funny I once said to a teacher of mine, pre youtube,: "You know Sabicas is in a few films where he does really tasteless showbiz things like rageo all up and down the neck. That looks really stupid and serves no musical purpose."

My teacher said " Yeah maybe so, but Sabicas had to make a living too."

That teacher is still a player out there an someone who spent time watching Sabicas. He also said in many ways Sabicas' picado surpasses Paco's picado. He also waited up with me until 4am once to see if Paco was going to show up to a party his group was attending. Paco's cajon player was boinking a girl in a red dress in the bath room as she was snoring lines off the counter top.

So it's show biz guys. But if you catch Tommy in the right mood and when he's relaxed he'll play some beautiful music for you.

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guitarbuddha

 

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RE: What's the deal with steel strin... (in reply to estebanana

People go on and on about a few players when there are just tons of interesting soloists around.

Anyone else heard of Adrian Moignard ?

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Ruphus

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RE: What's the deal with steel strin... (in reply to ralexander

Or just these guys:


Sorry if it has been linked to them before ( I can´t tell, for normally having no access to YT).

I dig how they perform. Everything. Technically ( mainly concerning the main fella to the right), musically and even how they manage facial mimics.
Just great.

And so funyn how he looks to his rhythm guy in between, signaling pleased: "It´s alright, man."

And on their Entre dos Aguas ( which is on YT too) the right player manages some picado parts even cleaner than Paco himself.

Cool, unstrained and seamless altogether. Love it.

Ruphus

PS:
Wish I could take some inspiring lessons from that guy.
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rletson

 

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RE: What's the deal with steel strin... (in reply to ralexander

Assuming that this is a serious rather than mischievous question (and arriving a day late and a dollar short)--

Duh.

I admit to being a bit of a dabbler, but at least I'm a long-distance dabbler, and over fifty-plus years have played steel-string flat-tops, classicals, and acoustic archtops. Each class of instrument has its charms and strengths and associated musical traditions (many of which I have visited, however touristically), and I would not identify any of them as the "true" guitar. Even an historical view fails to locate the One True Guitar beyond identifying a family tree with spreading branches.

Of course, there's no accounting for taste, particularly in primal matters such as what sounds (or flavors or colors or shapes) one finds immediately satisfying. Myself, I can't abide melon of any kind. My wife loves 'em. There it is. And a jazz guitarist of my acquaintance finds much violin playing too harsh-sounding--including that of Stephane Grappelli. Go figure. But they're his ears. I feel the same way about Rob Zombie.

That said, many people find sensual satisfaction in, say, slack key guitar, a primarily steel-string tradition. (Listen to Ray Kane or Sonny Chillingworth or Led Kaapana). Or in the work of Michael Hedges (whose sound was often heavily processed). Or Ry Cooder. Or Django Reinhardt (even through the bandpass filter of 78 recordings). And so on into the night.
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FlamencoD

 

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RE: What's the deal with steel strin... (in reply to ralexander

I didn't read more than the first couple of posts, but here's my take: I played electric and steel string acoustic for 15 years before beginning flamenco. I never even really considered nylon string guitars before I decided to learn Flamenco. Steel string guitars are far more popular due to their popularity in popular music. Popular music rarely uses nylon string guitars, which is unfortunate. That said, I prefer by far a nylon string guitar sound, but there are some nice steel string guitars. Nylon string guitars, IMO, are much more dynamic than steel string guitars. After falling in love with a flamenco blanca, I think steel strings sound tinny and thin, generally. I also feel like nylon strings may be more sensitive to their build quality than steel strings, but that's just my opinion. There are nice sounding steel string acoustics, but I prefer nylon.
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