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Tom Blackshear
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 RE: FINE TUNING A GUITAR (in reply to constructordeguitarras)
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Frankly, it would seem to me that the effects of removing microscopic amounts of wood with very fine sandpaper would be undetectable and swamped by the effects of normal changes in humidity.
First, I would rather not try and fine-tune the Smallman guitar but stay with the traditional Spanish style fan bracing. This is my forte.
However, there are many ways to tune an instrument, so my way is not a new way but a technique that lends certain skills that have already, for the most part, been used before.
All you have to do is sand any part of the fan brace system and see and hear for yourself, the change in tone and top tension. The tension will be noticed a little more than the tone when first starting the technique. Then the tonal change starts to come out a little with very slight adjustment.
But the trick is to know where to lightly sand so as not to hurt the progression of tonal change. And once you get the hang of it, you will know how to treat certain areas so as not to go too far. This takes a certain amount of practice but it should not be too difficult to learn with a teacher.
I gave a builder a little information, while he was in my shop, to adjust his fine tuning, but this requires some shop time to where I can see and hear the guitar
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Date Jan. 18 2016 17:23:51
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BarkellWH
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RE: FINE TUNING A GUITAR (in reply to estebanana)
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Here is the guitar I built while following this "tutorial" it turned as well or better than the guitar being built in this thread. But when I posted this guitar before I was shushed off and told to delete my work, which I did.
Stephen,
I assume you attempted to post your guitar in this thread. And you were told to delete your work?! That, and the rather condescending attitude embodied in the statement, "I have to admit that your guitar sounds good....So, welcome to my fine tuning thread, glad to have your presentation. Your guitars are certainly worthy," suggests less than welcoming faint praise.
I must agree with Anders that it would be in your interest to post your work in a thread initiated by you and dedicated to your work. As it is, this thread is dedicated to "Fine Tuning a Guitar" and appears to be a bit self-absorbed.
Bill
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Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date May 25 2016 22:14:31
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estebanana
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RE: FINE TUNING A GUITAR (in reply to BarkellWH)
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Stephen,
I assume you attempted to post your guitar in this thread. And you were told to delete your work?! That, and the rather condescending attitude embodied in the statement, "I have to admit that your guitar sounds good....So, welcome to my fine tuning thread, glad to have your presentation. Your guitars are certainly worthy," suggests less than welcoming faint praise.
I must agree with Anders that it would be in your interest to post your work in a thread initiated by you and dedicated to your work. As it is, this thread is dedicated to "Fine Tuning a Guitar" and appears to be a bit self-absorbed.
Bill
Bill,
Yes, I announced that I was going to try to learn something from this tutorial, even though I can build fairly well, you never stop learning- at least I can't learn enough. I tried to enter it a few notes and pictures into the mix, but was asked not to post my work even as an adjunct to the main subject.
I carried on my own work, figuring not doing any fine tuning could in a way serve as a control subject, compare a guitar that receives no additional monkeying around under the hood to one that does. The concept of control subject seems unwelcome......Hmmmm....Honestly I don't believe in fine tuning a matter of course, I think you learn to hit targets of weight, flex, articulation as result of being present while you work and through accumulated experience that is both empirical, facts /data and gut level, intuition- guitar maker inner guidance of some kind.
My Fort Worth bred grandmother was a bigoted, bible thumping old battle ax who thought I was a Devil worshiper, however she could quote the bible off the top of her head in a quite brilliant way. She had the perspicacity of a stubborn Talmud scholar when it came to "bible lernin". She eventually rose out of poverty after picking cotton in Central Texas as a child and having her finger bitten off by a cotton processing machine, maybe she was 9? Poor little thing. She had no education, but learned to read and became astute about politics and good at golf. She even joined The Marlin Club at Coronado Island in San Diego harbor and did manage to land a few large bill fish. Reeling them in with that chopped finger and braided linen line on a non level winding star drag Penn reel the size of table saw motor and an early fiberglass rod the diameter of your thumb. Those Pacific Striped Marlin never saw her coming. She used her tennis shoe trolled out on a cord as a "teaser" to attract them, when a sail was spotted in the water behind the boat they pulled in the sneaker and threw out a hook rigged flying fish, and the rest of the story would have set Zane Grey to the edge of his seat.
Her biblical aphorisms, platitudes and metaphors flowed as swiftly as her analeptic glasses of Ernest and Julio and Gallo, and even faster at mid bottle. In summer she drank red wine on ice, the only ones who do that are American rednecks and Spaniards. Not a bible man myself, but I still see value in those platitudes and soaked witticisms. They are useful in guitar making. " The lord says you shall know them by their fruits!" She often said this of Jimmy Carter, and not in good way. She hated Cesar Chavez, he was Mexican Mafia backed of course, and oddly she slightly mourned the death of Hubert Humphrey. Sour Grapes, and liberal pickings.
I suppose this influenced my life in someways, how could it not? Like I said I'm not a bible man, but it did stir in me the penchant to create platitudes of my own original synthesis. Like if are you going to drink the wine, don't punish the harvester. Nana could have used a little Fine Tuning herself, but why bother?
I apologize not all of you will understand this obtuse story, but I "guuurontee you boy", there are a coupla fellows out there laughin' really hard o'r this an trying not to spiller a glass 'o Scotch as they chorts.
"And that's the way it is."
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Date May 26 2016 0:32:52
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: FINE TUNING A GUITAR (in reply to estebanana)
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Yes, I announced that I was going to try to learn something from this tutorial, even though I can build fairly well, you never stop learning- at least I can't learn enough. I tried to enter it a few notes and pictures into the mix, but was asked not to post my work even as an adjunct to the main subject.
I carried on my own work, figuring not doing any fine tuning could in a way serve as a control subject, compare a guitar that receives no additional monkeying around under the hood to one that does not. Honestly I don't believe in fine tuning a matter of course, I think you learn to hit targets of weight, flex, articulation as result of being present while you work and through accumulated experience that is both empirical, facts /data and gut level, intuition- guitar maker inner guidance of some kind.
Stephen, I totally agree with what you say about fine tuning and I think your attitude towards building and continuing to learn is a very healthy one.
But, (and I repeat myself) I think you are in the wrong thread and that it would be better to make a new one when you have a guitar you would like to show.
This is Tom Blackshears thread about what is VERY important for him.... fine tuning.
I never post in this thread. I read and sometimes learn. There has been so many harsh discussion in the past with Tom Blackshear and I and a few others have been to much a part of that. I disagree with a lot of what he writes, but I find that the forum has more or less found a balance on this subject. A balance based on leaving each other in peace. Personally I find that to be better for all of us.
Tom Blackshear is writing less now. He concentrates more on his own threads and he has stopped spamming every second thread with his fine-tuning approach which I believe is very good for him, but which at the same time cannot be called universal or the only way to build.
I know that its easy for me to say because I have stopped at least for a while. But I have the hopes that you, Stephen will continue doing what you do the way you do, so what I write is just a kind push forward. Im looking forward to more threads about your building, what you do and what you dont do.
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Date May 26 2016 3:01:37
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: FINE TUNING A GUITAR (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Tom Blackshear is writing less now. He concentrates more on his own threads and he has stopped spamming every second thread with his fine-tuning approach which I believe is very good for him, but which at the same time cannot be called universal or the only way to build.
Anders,
This brings to mind a friend, Roger Thurman, who basically presented the Thurman sound port system for acoustic guitars. We used to hear a lot about his new system, at the time, with him extolling the merit of his invention. Richard Brune tried it out and believed it had merit. And I was approached to try it out with my Miguel Rodriguez models but found it to be too invasive in appearance for the top's symmetry, as I'm a strict traditionalist.
This didn't stop Roger's frequent posts on chat lists, and it apparently caused Robert Ruck to try it out with his guitar models. So everyone should know by now that the sound port models are liked by some but not all players, who prefer to have their guitars traditional in appearance. My thrust was to find a way to fine-tune my own guitar builds to be full in volume and still maintain the traditional feel of the Spanish Antigua style.
I spoke about this at length on my website concerning fine tuning. So you are not the first nor probably the last builder that I would disagree with on sound ports. By The Way, this was not meant, in any way, to insult your character, as I'm not a person who does that. I merely have my own ideas about certain aspects of guitar systems that either appeal to me or don't.
I have a certain love for chat and I always enjoy a good conversation, and I'm willing to share my experience with other builders, with the hope that they will do the same. So my thread is open for anyone who would want to shake things up a little, with an attitude of friendship and a common search for greatness.
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