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britguy

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What about Left Hand nails? 
There's been a lot of interesting discussions in the Foro regarding nail length, etc. applying to Right Hand nails. But what about the nail length on the fingering hand?

How long do you keep the your left-hand nails?

Very short? Quite long? Long enough to scratch the fingerboard when pulling off? So short you can't feel a thing?

And do any of you find you need a different nail length for each individual finger on the left hand?

Interested to hear what others think. . .

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Ramon Amira

 

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
Just cut all of them as short as you can - without bleeding.

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BarkellWH

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
Agree with Ramon. Cut them as short as you can. Should you cut a little too short, to the point of bleeding or irritation, put a little Neosporin on the affected area.

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Bulerias2005

 

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
Definitely as short as you can. Haha but this reminds me of what one of my (thankfully) former classical guitar teachers used to say about left-hand nails. He said it's a good idea to keep them as long as right-hand nails because apparently the nail touching the fret produces a "desirable sound". No wonder I only took lessons with him for one semester haha.

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Sr. Martins

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
I dont see any advantage for cutting as much as you can to the point where bleeding can happen.

Dont forget that the nail supports the fingertip flesh. Less nail means more flesh wiggling around.

A bit shorter than the fingertip is enough. Ive seen people whose flesh at the fingertip is higher than the nail because of them cutting too much.
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britguy

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to Ramon Amira) 
quote:

Just cut all of them as short as you can

Really! That short.

But how does that help when doing pull-offs ?

I find if I keep my left index fingernail a bit longer it helps when doing pull-offs.

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xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
of course you should keep the nails short, but no need for drastic measures where there is a possibility of causing damage...you will feel when nails are in the way anyways, as long as they're not touching the fingerboard, you'll be fine...
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mezzo

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
I don't pay much attention to them. I remember to cut them only when the nail touch the fretbord too much and cause me troubles to press the strings properly.
Generally is when my m fingernail begins to annoy me, that I feel the urgent need to cut

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BarkellWH

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
quote:

Really! That short. But how does that help when doing pull-offs ? I find if I keep my left index fingernail a bit longer it helps when doing pull-offs.


I don't know about others, Britguy, but I don't use any nail at all when doing pull-offs, or ligados. I just use the flesh on the fingertip. And not just with the left index finger. There are some pieces where sequential ligados are accomplished by the middle finger, immediately followed by the index finger. But I leave it to more accomplished players to describe how they do it, with or without the nail.

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Ramon Amira

 

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
Your left hand nails have to be short enough to be able to press as firmly as necessary on the fingerboard. If the nail hits the fingerboard it impedes the pressure. Obviously you don't have to go crazy.

Maybe it's just me, but I personally can't stand the terms "pull-off" or "hammer-on." They're descriptive, but the better terms are "descending slur" and "ascending slur." So sue me.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 7 2013 21:03:02
 
mark indigo

 

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to Ramon Amira) 
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I personally can't stand the terms "pull-off" or "hammer-on." They're descriptive, but the better terms are "descending slur" and "ascending slur."


the one that really bugged me was the guy who repeatedly called them both "hammer offs", even after I corrected him....

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britguy

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to BarkellWH) 
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don't know about others, Britguy, but I don't use any nail at all when doing pull-offs


The reason I mention this, Bill, is that I played American (fingerpicking-style) banjo for many years, and I know some banjo players like to keep a little exta nail on the left hand fingers for doing 'pull-offs'. (Sorry Ramon; dont know a better word to describe 'pulling off'. . .)

Maybe no so appropriate for flamenco guitar playing on nylon strings? But I find it helps. . .

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Sr. Martins

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
quote:

Maybe no so appropriate for flamenco guitar playing on nylon strings? But I find it helps. . .


I think that depends on your technique. Its called pull-off but it doesnt mean that you have to literally pull/push the string towards the edge of the fingerboard, you can just quickly lift the finger. Do whatever you need to get the effect you want.
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Leñador

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
quote:

Maybe it's just me, but I personally can't stand the terms "pull-off" or "hammer-on." They're descriptive, but the better terms are "descending slur" and "ascending slur." So sue me.

Couldn't ascending and descending slur be a slide too, I think to describe what he's doing pull-off is the only word.

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tele

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ) 
I think 1-2mm of white nail is good lenght.

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Ricardo

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
I have seen some ebony fingerboards ruined by guys with long LH nails. I recommend keep em all super short except thumb, you grow that one super long so if you bust a RH one you can clip that one and glue it on as a quick fix. Meanwhile pick your nose or use as a spoon for you cocaine.

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FredGuitarraOle

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to Ricardo) 
Today I was watching some videos and noticed Niño Miguel had pretty long left hand nails. You can see them clearly at 5:56:



Why do you guys think he used them like that, what's the advantage on such long left hand nails? I mean, I also think they should be as short as possible, but since this is Niño Miguel maybe there was a good reason for that.
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britguy

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to FredGuitarraOle) 
quote:

noticed Niño Miguel had pretty long left hand nails


Wow! Those are really long left hand nails.

Longer than the nails on my right hand.

Wonder why he keeps them so long?

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tele

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to FredGuitarraOle) 
Not long at all, just someone who doesnt pay alot of attention probably to them. Also longer nails give a bit of "backing" for the flesh of the finger.
quote:

ORIGINAL: FredGuitarraOle

Today I was watching some videos and noticed Niño Miguel had pretty long left hand nails. You can see them clearly at 5:56:



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Leñador

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
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Meanwhile pick your nose or use as a spoon for you cocaine.

Isn't that the whole reason for extra long pinky nail on our right hand?

quote:

Why do you guys think he used them like that, what's the advantage on such long left hand nails?

I love Niño Miguel but given his history of substance abuse I think it's believable that he just didn't care.

quote:

Also longer nails give a bit of "backing" for the flesh of the finger.

This leads me to believe your playing flat fingered which is no bueno, you should be as perpendicular as possible to the fretboard, if you have long nails at all this gets in the way big time.

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Elie

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
thats why there are no much girls who play flamenco out there
they can't handle short nails on the left hand

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tele

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to Leñador) 
quote:


quote:

Also longer nails give a bit of "backing" for the flesh of the finger.

This leads me to believe your playing flat fingered which is no bueno, you should be as perpendicular as possible to the fretboard, if you have long nails at all this gets in the way big time.



No way brow, I have been playing guitar(not flamenco) since 2002. There is still some movement of the flesh when playing normally, if one has short too short nails.

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Leñador

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
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No way brow, I have been playing guitar(not flamenco) since 2002. There is still some movement of the flesh when playing normally, if one has short too short nails.


I've been playing since 96(also not flamenco) and I've found this to be true, as well I'm inclined to believe nearly anything Ricardo says about technique because the proof is in the pudding. As well, I've met many amazing and famous players who agree, with "always as perpendicular as you can get and keep your nails short"

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tele

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to Leñador) 
playing flat fingered seems something that even a complete beginner wouldnt do. All I was saying is that longer fingernails give the flesh some backing(with normal playing, not "flat fingered") which very short nails dont and that can add a bit of power to the "hammer-ons" for example but as long as they are no hobbit nails I think its not an issue really. Just my one cent.

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Leñador

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RE: What about Left Hand nails? (in reply to britguy) 
quote:

playing flat fingered seems something that even a complete beginner wouldnt do.

I did, for like 5 years I dunno, I took a nap and no my opinion on this has become much less hard line

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