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turnermoran

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Antonio Rey question; Where's the be... 

This is a question for anyone who has Antonio Rey's album Colores del Fuego:

What happens at 2:40 of Los Tangos De Mi Compadre?

There's all this cool stuff leading up to a break. And if you simply clap your hands to the beach, after the break they come in a half beat off.

Tangos is a rhythmic Compás.
Is there a precedent for this? Or something I am not understanding?

Because in the world of ProTools and modern recording, this would be very easy to correct if it were a mistake.

So it's obviously intentional. Which makes me think that either
A) Artistically there is no reason when you have a big break in the middle of your song that you need to come back with respect to the beach, or
B) There are situations in tangos where you create a break with such space afterward, that it is not uncommon to restart the Compás without reference to the previous beat.

Ideas?
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c

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RE: Antonio Rey question; Where's th... (in reply to turnermoran

so what? its just music
i like it
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turnermoran

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RE: Antonio Rey question; Where's th... (in reply to c

I like it too.

But to play devil's advocate, if I were a dancer, since this is, as you put it "just music", I'd wonder what the hell happened to the beat.

Sure, it's record, and not a dance performance, but I'm wondering if there are other musicians/producers taking the "we can stop the beat and restart randomly" approach.

Or for that matter, maybe I'm just hearing it wrong..
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Ricardo

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RE: Antonio Rey question; Where's th... (in reply to turnermoran

quote:

Because in the world of ProTools and modern recording, this would be very easy to correct if it were a mistake.


Actually, they probably created it thanks to that tech. Its not a half beat off. If you count in 4 then it's an odd 2/4 bar. If you count half speed in 2/4, you need an extra beat so like a measure of 3. I would say it was done after thought to make the pause either longer or shorter...cuz it's a literal dead air pause (not a rhythmic breath there is just zero sound.). The click track probably holds it together there cuz it is in time metronomically, but the meter is off yes by two extra beats (palmas).

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xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: Antonio Rey question; Where's th... (in reply to Ricardo

in today's flamenco it's increasingly common that players add odd beats here and there, 2/4 in tangos and very often an extra 3 beats in bulerías...Gerardo has a medio compás in his new alegrías too...sometimes it's cool and sometimes it just doesn't make any sense...
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RE: Antonio Rey question; Where's th... (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ

quote:

in today's flamenco it's increasingly common that players add odd beats here and there, 2/4 in tangos and very often an extra 3 beats in bulerías...Gerardo has a medio compás in his new alegrías too...sometimes it's cool and sometimes it just doesn't make any sense...


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tmock

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RE: Antonio Rey question; Where's th... (in reply to turnermoran

Modern bluegrass players (another quick, rhythmically intense style) like adding extra beats or half measures, too. When it's done well it really "snaps the listener's head around." It feels to me like that moment at the top of a hill on a rollercoaster when your body unweights. The surprise at the momentary break in rhythm combined with the expectation of slamming right back into the groove is a lot of fun.

Of course, sometimes people just make mistakes that end up sounding cool.
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