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Cacho

 

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Is this alzapua? 

I would like to learn this style of playing. It sounds like alzapua to me but I'm not sure. My rasgueo is improving but my alzapua is really bad right now. I would like to find similar falsetas to practice alzapua on.

http://soundcloud.com/lucky-034958/zambra
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 22 2012 8:46:04
 
Ron.M

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RE: Is this alzapua? (in reply to Cacho

Hi Cacho,

It doesn't sound like alzapua to me, although it would be possible to do single string alzapua like that.
Amir Haddad is an Ud player as well as a Flamenco player and can do that sort of stuff when just noodling around.

Your example sorta sounds like it's being played balalaika pick style and it's hard to say if there's even a second guitar there as well, or is double tracked.

Anyway, this is not conventional alzapua as you would normally play it.

It's not really useful for you to learn.

Learn normal alzapua and you will be able to use it in heaps of palos and falsetas.

cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 22 2012 9:23:44
 
Munin

 

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RE: Is this alzapua? (in reply to Cacho

Is that even a guitar?

Anyway if not you could probably imitate it on a guitar with thumb up/down strokes.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 22 2012 10:09:07
 
Cacho

 

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RE: Is this alzapua? (in reply to Munin

Yes, it is a guitar. I thought he was playing alzapua similar to Sabicas at the end of Sabicas' Arabian Fantasy. In this second clip you can hear he starts playing open D, open A, open D octave, open A again and then what I thought was alzapua on the bottom strings.

http://soundcloud.com/lucky-034958/zambra2
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 22 2012 17:32:33
 
Ron.M

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RE: Is this alzapua? (in reply to Cacho

Cacho,

IMO playing in open tunings like that, you can do all sorts of fiddly, noodly crap on the fretboard and it sounds interesting and great......for about 30 seconds at most!
Then it becomes boring.

My advice is still to study "normal" 3 stroke alzapua.
This will be better investment of your time if you are interested in playing Flamenco.

cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 22 2012 18:28:33
 
El_Tortuga

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RE: Is this alzapua? (in reply to Cacho

I'm with Ron, look for proper flamenco examples!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 20 2012 16:07:35
 
Erik van Goch

 

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RE: Is this alzapua? (in reply to Cacho

I always make my own exercises. A combination of pulgar and 1 sting upstroke techniques are far from uncommon in modern day flamenco. It can't hurt to practice them as well, on top of the regular types of alzapua.

you can start with a pulgar/"alzapua" exercise covering the 3 base strings. On top of playing them in the normal direction you ad a couple up strokes with your thump.

E: downstroke open E sting
A: downstroke open A string
D: downstroke open D string
d: upstroke open D string

Pre exercices: accents on each 1st note of the group

Pre exercice: E-AD
Pre exercice: ADdD
Pre exercise: E-AD, ADdD
Pre exercice: E-A-,D---

Exercice 1: E-AD,ADdD,E-A-,D---
Exercice 2: E-AD,dADd,E-A-,D---

Accents and feet at every first note of the group

You can play and feel it as 4 beats (1 and 2 and 3 and 4and) or you can feel it like a slow tangos with accents on 1 and 3 (1 and 3 and 1 and 3 and).

If you tune your guitar to zambra (dropped D) and place 1 finger on the A string at 5th fret you more or less imitate the recording you posted.

I create exercises like this for all the problems i want to solve, mostly for serious study and sometimes just for the fun of it (like this one). Don't forget you have to study some serious alzapua as well.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 20 2012 18:51:00
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