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Ruphus

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to kitarist)

I remember an article of long ago. It was about lost varieties. Mentioning that for instance the strawberry taste originally emulated to be used on chewing gums, sweets etc. was lost, and that breeders were trying to regain that strawberry by reverse breeding so to say, while orientating on the artifical remains.

And just as of late me read that many of flavor rich tomatoes would either be only partially red or yellow etc. Customers however were expecting tomatoes to be fully red, which was a reason for the mono type and tasteless specimen commonly distributed.
Somewhat similar to the fact that hens are being fed carcinogen stuff for the yolk to become orange-colored instead of yellow. For allegedly customer would find orange looking more attractive.
Or like that industrial injection of carcinogen nitrate (turning into nitrosamine in the digestive section) into miserably tasting ham for to let it appear neon pink.

I only wished the idiots fiddling around assumed customers attraction to go to hell.
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20 bucks for a water melon? Seriously?

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estebanana

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Ruphus)

That's odd, all the free range hens I know lay dark orange yolks and the commercial market prefers light yolks.

Dept. Store melons cost $40.00 starting price. It's not the melon really, although the melon is grown like a prized hog and pampered. The deal is that the farmer puts in all this care and fuss and then produces a melon worthy of a high price.

In Japan the amount you spend on a present is very important, if you spend too little it's bad form. So a melon from a Dept. store is high priced, if you buy it, which I don't, it means you can give it is a gift and it shows you spent a lot of money. But you're also not burdening the receiver with some long lasting material goods that will only clutter up their house. A melon can be eaten, and you can give big slabs to your next door people and they will feel included. If you give a material gift the receiver will feel obliged to display it when you visit them.

Japan is a world you just can't fathom until you live in it. The gift giving makes Japanese people weary, but it's an important part of the culture.

Melons become signifiers of having spent a lot on a gift. Except the ones I dig out of the seconds bins at mom and pop grocery store, because I'm a big nosed dirty gaijin.

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Ruphus

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Ruphus)

Secondary conditions like formal custom can be understood, and that the market is misusing Japanese priority on (fresh) groceries to entertain unique margins, is relatively well known since about the seventies of past century.
Also that Japan ought to be meaning little of ground in relation to population.
Still, to request / justify amounts between 20 and 80 bucks for a single water melone, even for a well-tended one, is beyond me. Indicating totally out of hand, bizarre circumstances.
... Almost like here, in Middle East, where I am a dirty foreigner too, who regularly torments bazaris for their price-gauging BS.
- Whereas natives are traditionally docile and in respect of today´s diluting and disguising tricks have even forgotten how plain agrarian and sea products are originally supposed to be like.
Honey combs off sawdust, fish sticks of undefined very strange material, sea fish poured over with chemicals (I suspect it to be chlorine) to cover stench of rotten stuff, paraffin in vegetable oils etc., ... after 40 years of market dictature won´t even be recognized as abnormal anymore.
In pricing, together with places like Japan and some islands around the world, pioneers of the extreme, while for many people strange products and flavours are today´s standards, whereas merely intact / normal product has elevated to being luxurious delicacy.

A friend of mine (an IT guy) together with wife and one of their daughters just returned from a tour through French Atlantic coast and Basque province. My first question: "How was it culinary?" was answered with them apart of some crepes and tapas having hardly sampled anything. It was too expensive.

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From times before denaturalization, I remember yolk to have been yellow ever since.

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One can usually recognize organic eggs by the color of the yolk. A darker egg yolk is usually found in a conventionally produced egg. Since consumers perceive a darker yolk as a healthier, chickens from conventional farming get artificial dyes mixed into the feed. This is forbidden with the organic eggs, therefore the yolk is more bright with organic eggs.

http://www.kochbar.de/cms/orange-oder-gelb-das-verraet-die-farbe-des-eigelbs-1651322.html

According to the internet, this seems to be different in the USA, indeed.

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Ruphus)

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Still, to request / justify amounts between 20 and 80 bucks for a single water melone, even for a well-tended one, is beyond me. Indicating totally out of hand, bizarre circumstances.

Nothing is bizarre about it, this is the way Japan has been for a thousand years. The problem is Westerners seeing it through Western eyes. Gifts change material and value through the centuries, and change form, but the intention is the same. A the gift is a place marker for effort and amount of money spent. A German mind does not get it you have to turn your mind inside out and simply accept that the human capacity to express culture is vast.

Culture is irrational; to assign rationality to culture is to misunderstand, culture just gas to be accepted, as long as it is not seeking to wipe out another culture.

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to estebanana)

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Culture is irrational; to assign rationality to culture is to misunderstand, culture just gas to be accepted, as long as it is not seeking to wipe out another culture.

I understand it the exact opposite way.

Through millions of years culture had to prove useful. Otherwise ethnic groups would go under (famous example Easter Island). Actually, culture was / is there to pass on and preserve skills and pragmatic content. Also observable in zoology, where regionally / environmentally dependent skills are being passed on by generations.

Similar in anthropology it is being assumed that hominids were exchanging practical achievements among tribes (and likely among subspecies).

To me there is no slightest of sense in sanctifying culture for the sake of it.
The use of culture is practicability and sense.
It should help community, not establish moonshine, hurdles, waste and pain.

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Ruphus)

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I understand it the exact opposite way.

Through millions of years culture had to prove useful. Otherwise ethnic groups would go under (famous example Easter Island). Actually, culture was / is there to pass on and preserve skills and pragmatic content. Also observable in zoology, where regionally / environmentally dependent skills are being passed on by generations.

Similar in anthropology it is being assumed that hominids were exchanging practical achievements among tribes (and likely among subspecies).

To me there is no slightest of sense in sanctifying culture for the sake of it.
The use of culture is practicability and sense.
It should help community, not establish moonshine, hurdles, waste and pain.

Holy Cow, did you learn history from Steve Bannon? Do I have to get back into the mode of chastising you and setting you straight on everything from prehistory to post modernism?

Easter Island - not ethnic groups being put down- Clan schism and split.

"To me there is no slightest of sense in sanctifying culture for the sake of it.
The use of culture is practicability and sense."

Complete nincompoopery. You understand nothing about human beings. You sir are a lizard from outer space. YOU have Alien DNA in your body.

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Ruphus)

You are suffering from illusions, Stephen. If you´d check former disputes on the foro, you will see who used to congruently be set straight -and who routinely evaded to unrelated contents like trying to insult, for lack of factual base.
And that in vast of disputes with anyone, not just with me.

My DNA besides is human, and used to be socially corresponded to in most of cultures until about 5000 years ago. You are just a freeloader of emperor´s new clothes with too little of autonomous and profane figuring.

But hey, if you see sense in melons for insane money, -for them to be gifts (if only the melon knew!), without realizing the loot for just some fruit ... enjoy!

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to estebanana)

Working in the fields harvesting canteloupe was one of the first paying jobs I ever had. Pretty hard on the back. The most expensive variety we worked with was some sort of hybrid that sold for 70 francs, which would be around 10 dollars I think. It tasted different than the other varieties. More juicy and very sweet, though to be honest I personally preferred the cheaper variety that tasted more, well, "melony" if that makes any sense.

About this gift-giving business in Japan, I'm curious: are these expensive melons basically used only as gifts or do people buy them also for their own consumption? And if I were Japanese and I bought my girlfriend a melon for our X-year anniversary, would she be happy or would she bash my head open with it?

Culture is weird. Most things can be explained away but often those explanations don't really cover the experiential significance of what's going on for the people involved. It's like explaining love by saying it's all about transmitting genes on to the next generation and rearing that next generation until they are big enough to fend for themselves. That may be true, but it doesn't really help explain what love means to us. It kind of misses the point. There's also plenty of explanations for music, evolutionary explanations, anthropological, biological and bunch of other -ical explanations, but none of them do justice to what music means to us as individuals on an experiential level. I'm sure there are also explanations on why people offer expensive melons to each other. Not sure those explanations would be of any help in understanding our fellow human beings who do this though.

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Ruphus)

The giant expensive watermelons are tasty, very tasty. But you have to see it like buying a brand, some melons are Fords and some melons are Ferrari's. If a farm wants to get a name for a certain high level brand they spend a lot of time a money on the growing the finalists, and a lot of effort culling out of the melons that are not top tier. They may have developed a special farm particular strain that they have grown for decades. A farm may charge a high price because they won a prefectural argriculture contest. That the equivalent of winning your statewide fair for best hog. If I had a blue ribbon hog on my farm, I'd charge more.

This is the difficult part to wrap your mind around, in Japan a vegetable or fruit, watermelon is a vegetable by the way, can be grown as a luxury item the same as a car. To a Western person that is odd because you think food is food. Like why would I pay for a $70.00 melon? But if you think about, it's not radically different from selecting an expensive restaurant to take a VIP out to for a meal that honors them. Right? You don't take an important guest to the local deli. When was the last time you gave someone a $9.00 bottle of wine when you were invited to a dress dinner party? You probably picked the $35.00 Rioja, unless you're a cheap twit.

( My wine rule is that if I put on my best black dress shoes to go out, bottom line $30.00 on a red, never a white, and never champagne- I hate champagne. I always say 'Sham pain for your real friends and real pain for your sham friends - then open a bottle of red.' )

Often when a person is in the hospital or in an assisted living compound the relatives will visit the mom, dad, aunt, uncle who lives there. In Japanese culture it would be a slight (or a massive insult in some cases) to that elder persons rank or honored place in the family if you came with a $5.00 gift...so you bring something kinda pricey, and for a person who is 95 years old, if the gift is perishable like food, they can give it away to the next round of visitors and they don't have to worry about keeping it on display in their room and taking up space until the next time the melon givers show up. The fancy watermelon can be a good birthday gift for grandma at the old folks home because she can invite her pals over to the table to have the premium water melon her wonderful caring children brought her. And the children can be assuaged of guilt, for a few moments at least, for having to have mom in an assisted living house. The expensive watermelon is multi-purpose, it serves a myriad of social ends.

The idea that you give a gift to someone and they can in turn redistribute that gift to subsequent visitors is one of the things that drives the Japanese obsession with micro packaging. If the Western person gave you a box of crackers that were specially baked you would like oh big deal....crackers whoopee...However in Japan if you give a gift box of crackers the product may be from a famous cracker maker in Kyoto and very expensive, $50.00 for a special box of individually wrapped sembe, (rice cracker) making sembe is a art form and there are hundreds of kinds of delicious sembe from very tiny ones to sembe the diameter of a dinner plate. There is even one sembe that is shaped like a clay roofing tile and is exactly the same size as a real tile.

If you pick up a box of sembe for $40.00, which is about 4600 yen, you may give it to someone. They might open the box and take out a few artfully wrapped crackers and put them into a very fancy paper bag and take them to give to the lady who runs the coffee shop they like to hang out at. That is the reason why things are individually wrapped. They can be regifted. So if you spend mucho bucks on a gift, the person you give it to might redistribute it. And that makes that persons life a bit more graceful because they have a small but elegant gift to give a person they know casually. It's courteous as a gift giver to select a gift that the receiver can also offer to others. It's called sharing.

Of course this can all backfire at various stages, but that's another story.

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to estebanana)

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watermelon is a vegetable by the way

Of course you're on that side of the argument...the man who thinks a pitcher with the base of a wine glass is a perfectly acceptable thing. Tsss. It's a fruit. Clearly a fruit.

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it's not radically different from selecting an expensive restaurant to take a VIP out to for a meal that honors them

Makes sense. And to be honest I don't find this melon business all that weird really. Though I wouldn't be in the category of people who could casually afford to buy a 70 dollar melon. At least not very often. It's an interesting idea that one of being able to share your presents. To an extent it's not all that different than offering a box of chocolates at a party or at work. The person who receives the gift usually shares, so in a sense your gift is really the opportunity for them to look good by sharing it with others. And I'm sure you can find boxes of chocolates that are worth much more than 70 dollars.

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Ruphus)

I challenged my jr. high students on the watermelon vegetable vs. fruit question and they schooled me. It's a vegetable, but I got them back with the tomato which is a fruit.

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to estebanana)

Worst case scenario, you can also say you're talking about the botany definitions, in which case pretty much everything with a seed in it becomes a fruit, even stuff like eggplant.

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Ruphus)

Melons belong to family of pumkins.
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Among dandy consideration there remains a striking pecuniary part poking into sober eye, though.

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Blame could also be laid upon ultra-expensive fruit pusher, Sembikiya, who, some might say cynically, created a market out of portraying fruit like it was a designer hand bag, and flogging it off to anyone rich enough and stupid enough to buy it.

https://www.city-cost.com/blogs/City-Cost/zKvkM

Expensive gifts are known all over the world. Only that most often they consist of actually backing value and usually of durability that won´t just sprout and rot away within days.

I suppose no one will deny that not just expats, but Japanese natives just as well would whole-heartedly embrace daily consumption of fruits and vegetables at around near normal pricing, if protectionist policies and drastic import regulations would only allow fresh supply from say Australia.

It´s being said that some foreigners quit living in Japan simply just for having been fed up with excessive price gauging and consequently lacking supply with fruits. It shouldn´t wonder if the same would account for some of Japanese migrants too.

Experiencing almost as exaggerated market in Middle East (kg prices up to 30 bucks and more being common) in conjunction with bottlenecks of any refined food varieties, I can definitely understand motives to leave such places after a couple of years at the most.

(Yes, one can take efforts like e.g. baking good bread oneself, but now in the summer heat with an oven that leaks half its temperature ... me stopped baking several months ago.)

Lately having enjoyed several weeks with some sweet lemons (as prices had dropped to almost acceptable dimensions), just last week I allowed myself a small portion of pears of the kind that I prefer (green and firm, still sweet). The pleasure was without words and made me home sick once more.

A true shame, for the (although meager appearing) local soil makes for outstandingly flavored agrarian products. -Very similar to conditions of fruits in Central America. (Me, for instance never appreciating grapes too much before, experienced outstanding flavors. -Giving me an idea of how wine making and beer brew was invented here.)

I could grant myself samples like of those delicious pears a bit more often, but up from 8 bucks per kg for something that mother nature provides, just won´t pass rational structure of synapses. Sensing game of ordinary rip-off merchants, I feel an aversion against blackmail and feeding crude sponging.

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Ruphus)

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Only that most often they consist of actually backing value and usually of durability that won´t just sprout and rot away within days.

Well expensive bottles of wine don't last long once they're opened yet their prices by far surpass anything mentioned here, so I'm not sure "durability" is really an issue.

A good part of that "backing value" lies in the eye of the consumer. And in that regard, brand name plays an important role.
Take two products that are of similar quality and present them to an average consumer with "fake labels", one with a regular label and another with a high-quality "prestige" brand name. The consumer will invariably say that he preferred the "prestige" product, even if in a blind test he wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two. There are two reactions to this. One is to dismiss brand names and say that they are just a way of hoodwinking the consumer into paying more. The other is to say that since the brand name did in fact enhance the experience the consumer had with the product, regardless of whether the quality was better or not, then it justifies having a higher price.

The real problem is when you don't have a "cheap" alternative to the product, which seems to be what you are talking about in your own situation in the M-E. If 70-dollar melons is all there is, then sure that'd be a problem.

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It shouldn´t wonder if the same would account for some of Japanese migrants too

Fruit migrants? You lost me there..

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Ruphus)

What you say about subjectivity is all true. And reason why under reasonable circumstances efforts to produce goods and services should at least roughly be what determines prices.

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Fruit migrants? You lost me there..

Why? Must reasons to leave not count for Japanese themselves?

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Why? Must reasons to leave not count for Japanese themselves?

That's not really what I was getting at. I just have a hard time believing anyone would leave a country just because they didn't have enough fruit... I can see someone adding that to a long list of post-hoc complaints as to why they left, but that's about it. But no, I can't imagine anyone filling it out their immigration form upon entry and writing "Reason for migration: not enough fruit"...

I was going to make a joke and have the customs officer reply "sorry, but we already have enough fruitcakes here". Looked up the word because I wasn't exactly sure it meant what I thought it did. I thought it just meant a crazy person. Apparently it has a whole homophobic undertone to it. Good thing I looked it up

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Ruphus)

Produce, fish, pork, some fruit is all reasonable in the country. In the big cities one can find deals and local eateries. We get enough food.

Fruitcakes, I would not know, but I attest to a dearth of 'melons'.

nudge nudge wink wink

Don't worry Japan has opened trade with the EU for trade on cars and cheese last month.

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Piwin)

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ORIGINAL: Piwin

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Why? Must reasons to leave not count for Japanese themselves?

That's not really what I was getting at. I just have a hard time believing anyone would leave a country just because they didn't have enough fruit... I can see someone adding that to a long list of post-hoc complaints as to why they left, but that's about it. But no, I can't imagine anyone filling it out their immigration form upon entry and writing "Reason for migration: not enough fruit"...

I was going to make a joke and have the customs officer reply "sorry, but we already have enough fruitcakes here". Looked up the word because I wasn't exactly sure it meant what I thought it did. I thought it just meant a crazy person. Apparently it has a whole homophobic undertone to it. Good thing I looked it up

It goes without saying that lacking supply of fruit will be one of several reasons.

I can / must say however that this shortage is not as minor as it seems on first sight. You wouldn´t believe how it matters after several years.

Ironically realized by me, who for the most of his life didn´t care about fruits. (Except of a few sorts like figs -those in the Balkans were best!-, mulberries, raspberries, mangos, old-fashioned / full flavored strawberries and occasionally said pears.)

Now however, after years of shortage, I have learned to fully appreciate this kind of nature´s gifts. (Almost understanding meanwhile how folks of former Eastern Germany were lurked in by bananas.)

These days, when TV-viewing full fruit baskets on people´s tables in the western world (or on those of local establishment), I tend to drool. And the second thought beeing like: "Jeez, if wanting to organize such a batch it would come in for several hundreds of bucks". A perverse situation of lust.

Over here even just commercial juice is no juice anymore.
Ingredienst have nothing of fruit anymore. Not even fruit syrup. Even what is there to emulate fruit flesh is being pectin. And that at around 8 bucks per liter.

It´s about preparing market, excluding competition, closing borders for an inbreeding niche and then having green light for making insane money of literally nothing, squeezing off from the people.
(In the same time, small farmers here are gagged.)

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Ruphus)

I only miss proper Mexican food. Japan fails at Mexican. Italian French, great, first class. They go apprentice for ten years and come back and open a place.

They can't cook a pot of pinto beans to save humanity.

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You wouldn´t believe how it matters after several years

I hear you. A friend of mine came to visit me in Paris on her return back from (just) 3 years in a rural village in West Africa. I don't think I've ever been excited about anything in my life as much as she was then upon rediscovering certain foods.

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but I attest to a dearth of 'melons'

Can't believe I actually had to look that one up too. I'm slipping... My compréhension of ze anglish is parfois embarrassing (yeah that's the excuse I'm going with).

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Can't believe I actually had to look that one up too. I'm slipping...

I thought it was melon in French? ;-)

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Piwin)

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A friend of mine came to visit me in Paris on her return back from (just) 3 years in a rural village in West Africa.

Having spent a little time in Ghana and Congo, unless you are near a decent restaurant (Chinese or French, respectively) I can quite believe it.

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I thought it was melon in French? ;-)

Sshhh. You're gonna blow my excuse for not getting it the first time!

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On a side note, Cassini is just 2 days away from its final plunge into Saturn, after a 20 year mission (7 to get there + 13 around Saturn). It's running out of fuel and one of the reasons for disintegrating it into Saturn's atmosphere is apparently to prevent any chance that Cassini crash into those moons of Saturn that might harbour life and contaminate them.

https://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/grand-finale/overview/

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The engineers in charge of Cassini are hoping to get images right to the end of the of the line. This could be really good. I hope they release them quickly.

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I personally liked some of the audio they've released based on radio waves emited by the planet.
https://www.nasa.gov/wav/123163main_cas-skr1-112203.wav

I wonder why they chose this particular compression instead of another, i.e. does it serve any kind of scientific purpose or is it really just an aesthetic they were going for? If they had compressed it just a tiny bit less so as to get slightly lower pitches I'm not sure it would have sounded as eery and, well, "spacey".
On the other hand, with the audio they made from the dust particles hitting Cassini while it flew through the rings of Saturn, they gave us something with much lower pitches, that sounds more like the rumble of a plane engine heard from inside the plane when you're cruising over the Atlantic. Much less "spacey". Not exactly sure what the justification behind these choices is.

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Page 5 under Raw Images has lots of shots of the mysterious hexagonal cloud formation at the North Pole. I think it should fly into that and ride the jet stream at those harsh angles to see what's going on there.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 13 2017 11:56:19

estebanana

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Ruphus)

Well Cassie broke on through- massively disappointed that the imaging information will take time to process. Dammit, when will science get on the instant gratification bandwagon!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 17 2017 4:14:44

BarkellWH

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RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to estebanana)

Cassie's grand finale will provide fodder for several years of PhD dissertations.

Bill

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 17 2017 15:47:12

Ricardo

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From: Washington DC

RE: Black Hole eats sun (in reply to Ricardo)

As I patiently wait for the event horizon images to process, here is the sad news about the Alien Megastructure around Tabby’s star...

https://astronomynow.com/2018/01/03/new-data-debunks-alien-megastructure-theory-on-mysterious-tabbys-star/

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2018 13:42:09