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LondonFlamencoJazz

 

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Does anyone here take an interest in Spanish guitar music from other parts of Spain, like, I don't know, Galicia, Catalunya, Castilla...

It's the Moorish roots in Andalucia that draw everyone to the powerful sound of Flamenco, right?
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RE: Other Spanish forms (in reply to LondonFlamencoJazz

I recommend that you listen to other spanish compositors and guitar players that are outside flamenco:

Manuel de Falla, Isaac Albeniz, Andrés Segovia and Joaquín Rodrigo, to start of.
They have made precious compositions that have the flavour of Spain, but are not flamenco.

Also we have some beatiful pasodobles which are very nice, not flamenco at all.
This is one of my favorite and it really portraits Spain in its esence from my point of view:





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RE: Other Spanish forms (in reply to LondonFlamencoJazz

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RE: Other Spanish forms (in reply to LondonFlamencoJazz

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ORIGINAL: LondonFlamencoJazz
It's the Moorish roots in Andalucia that draw everyone to the powerful sound of Flamenco, right?


I think thats just a stereotype. For me it was just the music.
Btw, the majority of the spanish dont even like flamenco.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 19 2012 14:52:50
 
Anders Eliasson

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RE: Other Spanish forms (in reply to LondonFlamencoJazz

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It's the Moorish roots in Andalucia that draw everyone to the powerful sound of Flamenco, right?


A lot of Spanish trad. music is based on the what you call moorish root, The phrygian scale. It has been discussed for decades or centuries if the the use of the phrygian scale is Spanish or moorish

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El_Tortuga

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RE: Other Spanish forms (in reply to Anders Eliasson

If you haven't studied modes yet, I recommend it. They date back to classical Greek times.
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LondonFlamencoJazz

 

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RE: Other Spanish forms (in reply to Anders Eliasson

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ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson

It has been discussed for decades or centuries if the the use of the phrygian scale is Spanish or moorish


Yes it's interesting to know whether that E, F, G... scale has roots in Europe or the Middle East... of course we hear that scale in different places around the world.

I think the rhythms, compas in flamenco is the hardest thing for non-flamenco people to grasp... so even if you understand the scale/melody, then you need to learn where/when to play it!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 19 2012 20:17:13
 
LondonFlamencoJazz

 

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RE: Other Spanish forms (in reply to Pingaloka

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ORIGINAL: Pingaloka

I recommend that you listen to other spanish compositors and guitar players that are outside flamenco:

Manuel de Falla, Isaac Albeniz, Andrés Segovia and Joaquín Rodrigo, to start of.
They have made precious compositions that have the flavour of Spain, but are not flamenco.

Also we have some beatiful pasodobles which are very nice, not flamenco at all.
This is one of my favorite and it really portraits Spain in its esence from my point of view:



Thanks for that!
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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Other Spanish forms (in reply to LondonFlamencoJazz

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I think the rhythms, compas in flamenco is the hardest thing for non-flamenco people to grasp... so even if you understand the scale/melody, then you need to learn where/when to play it!


I find the that the most difficult part of flamenco is phrasing and the fact that its very anarchistic. Especially when you accompany singers. The rules are very confuse. At one time very strict and at the same time very open.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 19 2012 20:58:44
 
Tomrocker

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RE: Other Spanish forms (in reply to LondonFlamencoJazz

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I find the that the most difficult part of flamenco is phrasing and the fact that its very anarchistic. Especially when you accompany singers. The rules are very confuse. At one time very strict and at the same time very open.


I guess this is also depending on the singers. I attended once a workshop held by a local singer form seville. THe singer said that the singer is sometimes '' Bastard'' in his way that the guitarist is quite always obliged to follow his tonality, pauses, and way even if he is singing a standard palo.

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RE: Other Spanish forms (in reply to Anders Eliasson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson
The rules are very confuse.


What are the rules for example? I only accompany from my memory of how other guitarrits have accompanied a section or i rely on my ear.

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