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RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV
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kudo
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 RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (in reply to rombsix)
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I spent one month in Spain few years ago, and had prepared with some basic Spanish a couple of weeks before going there, and received several comments by Spaniards that "Wow - you sound like you're actually Spanish!" Again - no flaunting intended, but I stand by my original viewpoint.
actually when i first learned basic japanese when i was a kid, and talked to my japanese friends (who are no longer here), i had the same reaction,and when my brother continued learning the language (he is now fluent in japanese) and when he went to japan he actually got INTO trouble for speaking japanese so well, that a police officer thought he was living in japan for so long as an illegal immigrant for him to be speaking so well, and the officer could not believe that he studied outside japan and could yet speak it like them (accent and pronunciation)
now that I am speaking basic spanish, my mexican and spanish friends here are telling me that I do sound like a native spanish speaker.
however whats funny is that some canadians here have noticed that I HAVE some kind of NON-CANADIAN ENGLISH ACCENT, BUT THEY CANT DETERMINE where its from, because its neither western nor eastern. so they end up asking me where i am from for that PARTICULAR reason, however, most canadians say that I have a canadian english accent.
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Date Dec. 31 2011 2:30:58
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Richard Jernigan
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RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (in reply to rombsix)
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ORIGINAL: rombsix
If you listen to Mark speaking in Spanish as per the above video, you would directly realize that he is English or American. However, if I were to learn Spanish properly and speak it, I would sound much more like a native than Mark. No disrespect to Mark or English/American folk, and no pompousness intended or conveyed (hopefully). As an example, I spent one month in Spain few years ago, and had prepared with some basic Spanish a couple of weeks before going there, and received several comments by Spaniards that "Wow - you sound like you're actually Spanish!" Again - no flaunting intended, but I stand by my original viewpoint.
Cheers!
That's weird. My native language is definitely American English, but when I'm in Spain people say I sound like a Mexican! 
...which is about like being told by a "properly speaking" Englishman that you sound Australian...
People in Costa Rica, Argentina, Peru, etc. similarly identify my accent as Mexican. I learned Spanish as a child in the home of educated Mexican Americans in South Texas, where 90% of people speak Spanish at home. The people whose house I spent time in were descendants of Spanish colonists of Nuevo Santander, on both sides of what is now the border between Texas and Mexico.
People in Mexico say, "You speak quite clearly," but seldom, if ever, say I sound like a Mexican.
The Israeli proprietor of a dive shop in Palau, who had spent time in some Spanish speaking country and spoke Spanish with an accent unique in my experience, said I spoke like a gringo!
[No offense intended to Spaniards, Mexicans, Costa Ricans, Argentinians, Peruvians, Israelis, English people, Australians, Americans nor natives of Papua New Guinea and Irian Jaya]
RNJ
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Date Dec. 31 2011 18:15:37
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Richard Jernigan
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RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (in reply to Ruphus)
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Spanish speakers, or at least Mexicans will understand that "Hablas muy claro" is often a "left-handed compliment." That is, it may be meant a bit ironically, as in, "How surprising. You don't sound like an idiotic gringo."
On TV, many years ago, there used to be a man who could bark like a dog in many different languages. There was no mistaking the English dog barking, the Spanish, the French, the Italian, the German....but as I recollect, he didn't do different dialects of the same language. Would have been a hoot to hear a Cockney dog and a Lanky dog, or a Mexican dog and an Andaluz dog.
RNJ
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Date Jan. 1 2012 21:36:59
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I was told in San Jose that Costa Rican was the clearest of all Spanish, and best understood throughout the Iberian world.
I found it very interesting to hear, that a language can develop clearer / higher outside of its origin.
Having served for three years in Santiago, Chile, and for a considerable period in Bogota, Colombia, and with a pretty good knowledge of Spanish and its develpment, I would say that most linguists consider the Spanish spoken in certain areas of Colombia as the purest Spanish spoken today: That is, the Spanish closest to the Spanish spoken at the time of Spain's conquest of the Americas in the 16th century. This makes sense, as the Spanish spoken in the Metropolitan center (Spain and Madrid) changes the most, while the Spanish spoken in the outlying areas of the former empire changes the least, particularly in remoter areas. It is an intersting phenomenon found in most languages, but particularly in Spanish.
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