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RE: Tabs versus standard notation
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El Kiko
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RE: Tabs versus standard notation (in reply to keith)
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To write it in staff notation you have to write two notes and six ledger lines No top E is only 3 ledger lines, remember I read the spaces in between. you still have to write 2 notes. quote:
Doesn’t help when you have lower voices in the normal octaves. This all depends on a specific passage , I wasn't really thinking of anything , notation is written the easiest way to be read , it's not made to catch you out .. quote:
The problem is vertical spacing, not horizontal. Again depending on the music , vertically you only have 5 lines instead of 6 quote:
Can you sight-read Koyunbaba, which is in C# minor tuning? I sight read best in what I use the most , of course , which would be standard tuning and also with low D, some Rondeña tuning at the moment , perhaps , you get used to different tunings , the question goes back to you , using TAB can you sight read in Koyunbaba? I just have to go back to before, it's only easy(er) for me cos I have done a lot of it , for a long time, on different instruments , TAb would have its place and OK for many others , thats fine , but I still say its not as flexible and definatly not universal musically.
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Date Sep. 30 2011 23:22:34
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El Kiko
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RE: Tabs versus standard notation (in reply to Paul Magnussen)
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Yes different types of TAb have been in use for a long time , and also they have developed into music notation , although many people have experimented with different ways of notating music and in fact still are , music notation is the accepted universal way of notating all music from all instruments that are commonly in use . I'm really not putting TAb down, I'm saying it's OK , I just don't see it as having any advantage , remember the origional question was quote:
So the question is, why is tab much more common in flamenco guitar? and the answer is, I think , that people who want to learn things quickly can use TAB as they see it as being easier to get along with from the begining as it's a kind of sketch of the fret board and finger locations, so if thats all you want it's fine and works for that reason. Bearing in mind that many people ask for TAB for this or that tune having already heard the tune many times and now want to learn it . I mean a book of just TAB with no other reference such as notation , Midi , video or music , would be a bit less useful. For learning flamenco the best of all is a teacher with a guitar in front of you to go through things, including nowadays a video link as Ricardo does. Next best would be a CD or downloaded you tube type of lesson. Of course before this new technology you would have to write things down to remember them or pass them on to others , and TAB works just well for this purpose, it is really specific to the guitar, for flamenco, and you dont have to learn music notation or any thing else to get a grasp with it relatively quickly, again bearing in mind that you have an audio example to follow as well. It would be of less use if you were working with other instruments, other types of music, scores and various ensembles, etc. But you don't have to so TAB is fine . There's no point getting a HGV license if you never ever will drive a truck. However some of us came from different back grounds and play other instruments as well , or may have been to music college, and there fore can all ready sight read quite well. This would be my case , so I already have a system which works just fine, so for me I don't really need the TAB , and I have learned quite a lot of stuff with just music notation alone. Going back to first question , the answer would be that TAB is for guitar ,it helps people understand in an easy format some things that would otherwise be difficult to show.however if there was no guitar ,there would have been no development of TAB . The two systems can exist along side of each other and be of use to all players, there is a lot of stuff, that you will probably have as well , that is written in both, this in itself is an indication that publishers know that some people want it one way and some another , or some may use a bit of both to double check there playing. The advantage to me is (notation) is quicker and easier for me, and i could look at a book in a shop with no instrument at all and have a pretty good idea of how a piece was going to sound and how difficult it would be for me, pretty much straight away, I could never do this with TAB , maybe some amongst you could . So really TAB is just fine for guitar and music notation encompasses more of the general world of music , including of course flamenco guitar.
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Date Oct. 1 2011 9:52:44
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Paul Magnussen
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RE: Tabs versus standard notation (in reply to Ricardo)
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I want to ad something that was in the link I posted too, that I tend to trust more a transcription with tab because it seems an actual guitar player might have done the score, because the VAST majority of standard notation scores are not accurate when it comes to what a guitarist actually played. Good point, Ricardo. You’re probably to young to remember the first Sabicas transcriptions, the ones Hansen Music published before they were replaced with Joseph Trotter’s. They were utterly unplayable. quote:
With Rock guitar in the 80's, the magazines started to approach this problem seriously with most students only playing from the magazine and no longer buying song books and scores. With the tabs and musical description we kids could actually play the song and make it sound "right" and then do it with our band. It was a magical time. Right again. When the Beatles’ music was first published, it was in keys like E flat, and it was wrong even when you transposed it. They only changed when the sales dropped through the floor. quote:
Anyway, of course there are still major problems with even tabbed scores. It takes so much time to get it right, transcribing is an art itself. But now we have slow downers and such that we don't really need even tabs anymore. Why not? You mean you can remember a whole piece as soon as you’ve transcribed it? And anyway, what about the other poor slobs who have neither the time nor the skill to do an accurate transcription? BTW I got hold of one one of Claude Worms’s Manolo books a while back. It’s pretty good, though there are still a few mistakes. But which of us is perfect? Even Faucher makes mistakes.
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