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just to let people know, and i have it on good authority. Manolo Sanlucar is apparently producing a DVD Encyclopedia of Flamenco guitar por Baile accomp, Cante Accomp and Concert level guitar complete with a book for each DVD explaining theory, harmony, compas and composition guidelines for each Palo. its gonna star some of todays most luminary flamenco guitarists, dancers and singers. its intended to be something in the region of 10-15 volumes and will be released in 2-3 vol sets over the course of 5 years.
I thought i seen and heard it all when manuel salado and manolo franco released their 10 dvd. This will be the Magnum Opus of Manolo Sanlucar as his version of "The Definative" Flamenco Guitar reference.
RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to henrym3483)
I gotta say fair play to the Maestro for taking on such a workload and attempting to bring flamenco to a much wider audience. I very much like the idea of explaining in black and white the harmony and construction of a palo and giving guidelines for composition.
RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to rombsix)
i dunno, the concert guitar material might be an alto nivel out of the grasp of most "mere mortals" like myself but if its got good sections for dance and song accomp i will prob buy it. I might ask my Uni's Music Department to buy a Copy.
RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to henrym3483)
I don't really care about the solo bits. I'm already at Paco de Lucia level when it comes to that. It's the baile / cante accompaniment that interests me...
RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to henrym3483)
Awesome if this really happens but it feels like there have been a few "guitarist X doing didactic video" announcements in the past few years that never materialized...
RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to Munin)
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Awesome if this really happens but it feels like there have been a few "guitarist X doing didactic video" announcements in the past few years that never materialized...
yeah like doit's april fools of a vicente amigo encuentro dvd.
that been said the amt of materials coming out for flamenco guitar is phenomenal there's a tab book release nearly every 2-3 months.
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RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to henrym3483)
Would be amazing if this was true... Manolo is such a great educator, it was time he passed his knowledge down to more humble aficionados like me!
I almost bought his book on the Andalucian Cadence and flamenco harmony theory in general when I was in Madrid... my Spanish is way too poor to understand it unfortunately
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RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to henrym3483)
Hmm sounds like other guys are gonna do the baile and cante part if he is employing others and acting as producer. It all depends on WHO exactly they are to be honest.
I have never been a big fan of his cante accompaniment anyway, and what I have read about his "music theory" ideas I think he is insane and weird. However, I would pay what ever it cost to have a video of him teaching anything from Tauromagia. I guess we will wait and see.
RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to Ricardo)
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what I have read about his "music theory" ideas I think he is insane and weird.
that really made me laugh!
I only read a little bit that was on the net - something about the roots of flamenco in ancient Greek music and modulating via the mixolydian mode, but it was brief and I haven't read the book - what is it makes you think he is "insane and weird" ( )
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RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to mark indigo)
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the roots of flamenco in ancient Greek music and modulating via the mixolydian mode
Mixolydian? That’s the mode of Rock (e.g. Sweet Home Alabama)! But remember that the English mode-names were bollixed up by Glaureanus, and what we call the Phrygian mode is the modo dórico. So if he’s actually talking about the modo mixolidio, that would be our Locrian mode…
RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to Paul Magnussen)
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what we call the Phrygian mode is the modo dórico. So if he’s actually talking about the modo mixolidio, that would be our Locrian mode…
oh yeah, that was another thing, I remember now, what we know as the Phrygian mode Manolo calls the modo dórico, as you say, but wouldn't that make his Mixolydian mode our Aeolian mode?
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RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to mark indigo)
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ORIGINAL: mark indigo
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what I have read about his "music theory" ideas I think he is insane and weird.
that really made me laugh!
I only read a little bit that was on the net - something about the roots of flamenco in ancient Greek music and modulating via the mixolydian mode, but it was brief and I haven't read the book - what is it makes you think he is "insane and weird" ( )
Well, I have over the years read interviews in English and Spanish and basically, he is an insider wanting to try to connect his art with the outside world, and by doing so elevate it to what he believes is some prestige level. Starting with the Greek stuff, the tetra chords, the scale nomenclature etc, IMO he misses the mark with the basic circle of 5ths understanding. As an OUTSIDER that is how I see it, and he is coming from INSIDE and learned to define his own music from that perspective and IMO over intellectualizes some simple concepts. But you can't argue with him if you are an "outsider" and the insiders that COULD point out these issues can not argue either because they have no clue about the theory terminology he is using nor the time to really care about it since they are busy getting on with their flamenco. I also don't like how he tries to belittle the romantic "ignorance" of his Gitano and other flamenco brothers that refuse to get out of the superstitions and traditions of flamenco. Duende for example he can do without, and I think it's a shame.
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RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to mark indigo)
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wouldn't that make his Mixolydian mode our Aeolian mode?
Apparently not. If you go to the Wikipedia page on Mode (music) and click on Español in the list of languages on the left, you’ll find the modes written out, with their Spanish names, a little less than halfway down the page. Note that the Mixolidio goes from B to B, i.e. our Locrian.
(Incidentally, several classical textbooks say that the Locrian is, in practice, unusable. I guess their authors haven’t listened to Joe Pass.)
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RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to Paul Magnussen)
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wouldn't that make his Mixolydian mode our Aeolian mode?
Apparently not. If you go to the Wikipedia page on Mode (music) and click on Español in the list of languages on the left, you’ll find the modes written out, with their Spanish names, a little less than halfway down the page. Note that the Mixolidio goes from B to B, i.e. our Locrian.
(Incidentally, several classical textbooks say that the Locrian is, in practice, unusable. I guess their authors haven’t listened to Joe Pass.)
Not unusuable but rather unstable, due to the Flat 5th scale degree. Even jazz guys often prefer the Aeolian b5 as a more colorful thing to use over the half diminished (minor7b5) chord than straight locrian. In non modal contexts, it's usage gets downplayed by other harmonic stuff going on. For example Impetu uses it a bit but it all sounds like A Phrygian flamenco stuff in the end. To be proper "modal" sounding music, you need to hear just the bass note or chord for a long enough time to establish a mood or vibe with it. While I can find you an example of all the natural modes used as a basis for a single "song", I can't think of one single Locrian example.
Back on topic I always found it interesting how Sanlucar uses both Mixolydian and Lydian modes a lot in his flamenco. For example the famous caballo negro is a Mixolydian Vamp first time used in the genre I believe. It has that cheesy American rock sound of course. Also he used Dorian a lot on the album with Carmen Linares. He also used the minor Phrygian sound and I think inspired V. Amigo to explore that as well. But again, put into context of other chords and things going on, modal flavors get washed out to sound as part of the whole tonal context.
RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to Paul Magnussen)
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Apparently not. If you go to the Wikipedia page on Mode (music) and click on Español in the list of languages on the left, you’ll find the modes written out, with their Spanish names, a little less than halfway down the page. Note that the Mixolidio goes from B to B, i.e. our Locrian.
okay, so not having read Manolo's book, and only having a tiny snippet of info about his ideas (ie. his calling our Phrygian mode "Modo Dorico"), I assumed all the other modes followed the same sequence, just shuffled along one....
but no, I see that not only the sequence is different, but the set of names is different too.
btw the Wiki pages in Spanish and English have the same info translated
RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to mark indigo)
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Apparently not. If you go to the Wikipedia page on Mode (music) and click on Español in the list of languages on the left, you’ll find the modes written out, with their Spanish names, a little less than halfway down the page. Note that the Mixolidio goes from B to B, i.e. our Locrian.
Seems like the page is describing the ancient greek modes, you see the ancient greek modes were first considered downwards, thats why they call "Mixolidio" B to B, because in the downward direction it has all the characteristics intervals of the Liturgical mode "Mixolidio", that is the mode most of us know.
RE: Manolo Sanlucar Didatic Flamenco... (in reply to Paul Magnussen)
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Apparently not. If you go to the Wikipedia page on Mode (music) and click on Español in the list of languages on the left, you’ll find the modes written out, with their Spanish names, a little less than halfway down the page. Note that the Mixolidio goes from B to B, i.e. our Locrian.
(Incidentally, several classical textbooks say that the Locrian is, in practice, unusable. I guess their authors haven’t listened to Joe Pass.)
Indeed in the ancient times Locrian was unusuble because of the fact that the interval between the finalis (first degree) and the cofinalis (5 degree) is a tritone, it was not practical or desirable for that period's style (medieval and renaissance style) since these two notes (finalis and cofinalis) were the most important notes of the mode. In fact from what i know the locrian mode was first theorized by Hugo Riemann, in the XIX century, the same period Debussy, Ravel and others composers were starting to make neo-modal music... Of course in those times the tritone was not a problem anymore hahah
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It's the baile / cante accompaniment that interests me... 
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