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Ruphus
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Personally to me it appears without doubt that should there be a chance for a part of earths advanced species and us to see a future, it will only be possible with the very soon introduction of a new era.
From what I gather, without immediate paradigm / societal change the global collapse of climate and ecology if possibly farther in the future than a handful of years, only so for earths sustaining mechanisms which would result in a just the more sudden break down few years after the treshold.
Signs of the accumulating factors are moving up on the horizon since decades, yet played down by human ignorance and purposive industrial short-sightedness and thier desinformational and pseudo-scientifical instances like the "Marshall Institute", "NIPPC", "TASSC", "Global Climate Coalition", "Global Science Team", "National Center for Policy Analysis", "Heartland Institute", "Center for Science and Public Policy" or "EIKE", which fake a broad official fraction on international stage whilst in fact behind all these being just mailboxes and all the same dozen of persons who make an opulent living by lending their fallow academic titles and unscrupulous presence to the industry.
Yet, despite disproportional efficiency of such PR measures of insanity and their enhancing of public immunity and swoon there seems a lazy, however progressively rising awareness of the common sense on its way.
Starting with the fading ( since Bush junior at the latest ) of traditional serfdom that used to deem ( own ) statesmen as god-sent integrity on default, over encreasing sceptisism against official authencity in general, to the realization of unsocial economy and the destruction of earths creation.
Even formerly firmly established demagogy against socially and environmentally aware society as allegedly impossible illusion, seems to crumble away.
We are wittnessing philanthropical and democratic tendencies in South- and Mid America ( however defamed they might still be in western and especially US concertated press ). We are seeing rising public sceptisism against manufacturing / supplying and financial combines and their draining-off mechanisms and accordingly distorted exegesis implantet into states agendas.
There are less uninformed sheeps to be heard who embrace social discrepancy, and billionaires as "great, for they provide us with jobs".
And there are even concepts discussed today that would had been dismissed with hysterical public contempt only a few years ago. Like the idea of granted basic income as suggested by Götz Werner. Meanwhile encreasingly accepted and considered even by established parties in Germany. ( Making me hardly believe my eyes and ears in fondness!)
Or other events indicating a new phenomenon, like days ago, with an official representative of the German Industry together with a stockbroker (!) both confirming that things got way out of hand, by financial markets producing currency far over existing product equivalent, with the population pressed to generate surplus as interest income of billionaires.
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And you?
Would you envision survival under sustaining pharaonic systems, and if, how so at current wordly happenings?
Do you sense common cognitive changes around you?
And if there are paradigm changes developing fast enough to get around the Big Crunch:
What kind of changes would you anticipate as possibly most relevant modification towards survival ( and possibly a world of reason and ethics, provided consideration of such as concrete matter )?
Ruphus
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Date Mar. 28 2011 14:33:58
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Ron.M
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RE: At the doorstep to a new epoch? (in reply to rogeliocan)
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Challenge us in what way? A challenge to try and decipher what he means?
I completely agree.
If Ruphus had to hand that piece of writing into an English department of any University here in the UK, he'd score 0/10 or maybe 1/10 if the lecturer happened to be in a good mood.
The BBC would never broadcast a script like that....they'd hand it back to you.
Sorry, Ruph old chap, I'm not trying to insult you or anything but that's just the plain truth. Your writing is all over the place in structure and grammar and is very difficult to understand..
You need to practise writing in shorter, clearer,simpler, better balanced sentences, leaving out the big words until you have better control over them.
It wouldn't take long... 6 months or so of going back to basics and you would be a superb writer of English.
Ramzi (Rombsix) for example, is a superb writer in English. You would never dream it was a second language.
It is educated and professional, but never academic.
But there are other non native English speakers here who write much more clearly than you and are no problem at all to understand even though there might be bags of spelling errors etc.
Believe me Ruphus, I'm not being pedantic or anything. I am just a very average speaker/writer of English myself. In fact I have to correct my own sentence structure here as well since I normally speak and write (informally) in colloquial Scottish style, which often puts adverbs, prepositions etc in the wrong place according to Standard English.
eg... We say things like "You'll never see him get into work early, but" 
(Ending a sentence in "but" is quite common here. )
cheers,
Ron
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Date Mar. 29 2011 8:15:03
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Ruphus
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RE: At the doorstep to a new epoch? (in reply to Ruphus)
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Muchachos,
I believe if attempt to communcation was fully appreciated, grammar wouldn´t be mattering as much as it does to some of you.
File me as incapable or weird or whatever and cut me a sclack.
I doubt that anyone couldn´t spare the extra minute to read and `decipher´, nor that the topics were too insignificant to do so.
If you think so however, just ignore me.
Just looking at the ridiculous points that Rogeliocan picked on as claimed prove for unintelligibility, makes his attitude pretty lucid.
* comment deleted by author 
.. Unlike Ron, Stu and others.
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ORIGINAL: Ron.M
Hey Ruph man...
Can you explain that again in plain English por favor?
I can't follow anything you're saying.
cheers,
Ron
I think to see changes going on with common sense, and am asking around whether fellow people are sensing such too.
And am interested to know what exactly they observe as changing and what they consider as most needed changes for a chance of omitting the Big Crunch ( total break down of earths vital system ).
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ORIGINAL: marrow3
Would you envision survival under sustaining pharaonic systems, and if, how so at current worldly happenings?
This is the exam question from hell surely? Pharoahs Cameron and Clegg are off the map of worldly happenings.
Only the particular ancient formal appearance of pharaos is off the map, not however the corresponding economical and societal reign, privilege and power.
Just as with the historical example, there do exist a couple hundred of extremely privileged and powerful individuals today who stand above legislation and governing. They can and do settle beyond public interest and reason, clamping in fellow men and environment for ordinary and endless encrease of their affluent personal property.
And shaping common sense to their special needs through tweaked informative education and media.
( With great ease! Just consider the public influence and faked credibility of above mentioned organisations and the actually very small number of representating heads behind it.
Geore Bush sen. about the "Marshall Institute" [ founded 1984 by Reagen for PR strategies for the irrational star wars concept SDI, and afterwards sustained for further environmental desinformation]: "My scientists".
Or Bush junior who turned down Kyoto for petro industy´s lobbying brand "Global Climate Coalition" input.
To name the very least of common manipulation.)
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ORIGINAL: marrow3
Do you sense common cognitive changes around you?
The evil of tax evasion combined with cuts to hard working people appears to unite people more than foreign wars could or future climate change could.
Yes. The problem is a disconnected perception ( through detouched culture ) that allows realisation almost exclusively and very late at trivial level of personal empirics. And even that only when entirely obvious.
That upside-down way temporary phenomenons like current form of votivs, economics, states etc. are paradoxly considered before primare circumstances like the lasting of environnment.
The lack of foresight and of realized coherence appears to be the main threat to the blue planet, as these deficits are delaying perception of urging status quo and preserving measures for life on earth.
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ORIGINAL: marrow3
And if there are paradigm changes developing fast enough to get around the Big Crunch:
'live within your means' both financially and environmentally
True for now, seeing what reduction of animal protein in daily supply alone could do. Or support of local productions / distribution, reduction of packaging etc.pp.
However, sacrifice in living standard would be considerably less than what is currently being suggested, provided a coming switch from oligarchy to actual democracy and with that introduction of community orientated developments / strategies of reason.
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ORIGINAL: marrow3
What kind of changes would you anticipate as possibly most relevant modification towards survival ( and possibly a world of reason and ethics, provided consideration of such as concrete matter )?
Changing society with respect to climate change and carbon emissions now and not later.
To me this seems a short sight; as it considers symptom before foregoing cause.
After all pollution is a symptom of irresponsibility in diverse stages.
Making out the practical background of overpopulation, ample chemical emissions, and inane concepts like nuclear energy, cutting down rain forest for oil palms as fuel ressource etc. ... Circling in insanity and tracking down its practical source should be a rather causal and constructive proceed.
If people under fundamentally same reign could do something timely about climate change and carbon emissions ( which you can´t, as has been plentifully proven since about fourty years by now ), the source of irrational past and action would still be in place, keeping up irresponsible and unsocial layouts of vertical economizing.
If people are at progressively overthinking ( as it seems ), I think we should take the opportunity to illuminate things on deeper levels.
Starting from the very bases, going from there with the paramter of equal right among humans and for fellow creature, it should become clear that pollution and thoughtless destruction is the traditional breath of a minority privilege of pathological greed, that would stay in place still, if common focus remained on dealing with dominon´s secondary products.
Ruphus
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Date Mar. 29 2011 14:01:33
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rogeliocan
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RE: At the doorstep to a new epoch? (in reply to Ruphus)
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For the most of my writings, I do not agree at all them to be too long.
Actually they are compressed, which is the main reason for them being less degistible.
Many relevant matters require mentioning of peripheral and interactive circumstances to make clear individual points.
After all, common sense has not so much a problem of deconstructive thinking than it has a problem of descrete perception.
On your first point, you have to think who you are writing for, if you are writing for yourself that is fine, if it's for an audience and to be understood, many are telling you, right now that it's not working. It's important to be aware of that.
I understand your second point but the peripheral stuff still has to be tight.
I don't understand the last sentence, it's almost phylosophical, but that just me, others may enjoy.
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Date Mar. 29 2011 14:50:27
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Ron.M
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From: Scotland
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RE: At the doorstep to a new epoch? (in reply to rogeliocan)
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if you are writing for yourself that is fine, if it's for an audience and to be understood, many are telling you, right now that it's not working. It's important to be aware of that.
And that's the whole issue, Ruphus.
Why continue with this style of writing when native English speakers are telling you that you are failing to communicate your thoughts.
I don't want to be hard Ruphus, but don't kid yourself that it's just your individualistic style.
It's simply just bad English.
The infuriating thing is that I can see you have a lot of English, but are just putting it together awkwardly and sounding completely foreign and difficult to understand.
A few months of going back to basics, dropping the long sentences, sticking to simple words to convey your ideas would sort that out.
Then you can build on that and reintroduce your more complex words etc.
I have only good intentions in saying this Ruphus, not trying to put you down.
Don't take offence.
cheers,
Ron
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Date Mar. 29 2011 15:50:59
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Ruphus
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RE: At the doorstep to a new epoch? (in reply to marrow3)
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ORIGINAL: marrow3
Hi Ruphus,
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Yep, some seem unable to overcome their presumption that I was trying to pretend something with my writing style. Staying busy with their individual sensitivity instead of actual contents.
Just look how neglectible this topic must be, with the part of reflection to the actual matter and all that more or less well-meaning attention to the form.
Ron,
I am conversating and corresponding with native speakers since decades. From there I know that I for the most can be understood rather well. As the vast of native speakers found our exchange interesting enough, I have hardly seen them complaining ( other than at times - and rather rarely at that - inquiring about certain sections as unclear, which I then explained ), but rather appreciative of what is.
In fact there has been far more positive feedback altogether from native speakers than complaints about unintelligibility, with the main exception of this forum, which however has members as well who seem preferably occupied with contents.
Anyway, now.
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ORIGINAL: marrow3
I took it that Ruphus was writing in a stream of consciousness style. If that's what he wants to do fine by me.
Thank you, Richard!
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I take it from Adam Smith that wealthy people who make a living from profits on stock are generally intelligent but with an intelligence skewed toward self interest. If they can they will lobby governments to enrich themselves. If it was true then, then it is true now as far as I understand it. Perhaps we don't need to use the analogy of a Pharoah to explain this tendency.
Only that that mentality as common started out roughly with the first kingdoms and pharaos.
With mentioning contemporary situation as pharaonic I intend to push a thought about how such long obsolete mentality could still be in place and which routines being the ones making practical kingdoms still possible today.
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Also would take it from Alexis de Toqueville that individuals in a democracy are inherently weak (to abuse by their governments) unless they can form associations with like minded citizens, to be able to promote their interests. And so the freedom of the press is critical for them to be able to articulate their views.
Absolutely.
And the freedom of press has taken a substantial step backwards over the past ~ 15 years with the buying off of editorial offices by media moguls and consortiums.
Very evidently so in Germany. With agencies like Reuters that provide dispatchs of international events, yet the editorial offices strangely all selecting the very same small number of actual topics ( and vastly very same interpretation of events ).
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Taken together elements of society will always be pushing toward inequality which can only be countered by people making an effort to resist propaganda and stand up for their rights.
With explicitely contemporary societal routines. Those are not natural / inevitable by any stretch, despite of people being traditionally indoctrinated in that they were to be wittnessing inequality and insanity as "human nature".
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These are very complicated issues for me to understand so I can only approach them one by one and slowly.
Very well said.
Especially for differenciating between actual, pragmatic possibilities and establishment´s humbug we are being fed with since centuries ...
Analyzing what is going on in fact and what could actually going on instead, thinking ( and reading ) step by step and slowly is a must.
Your thoughtful approach shows, bro.
Ruphus
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