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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (no trolling)
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M.S.A.
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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to Yojimbo)
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I have no connection with either the brand or with Ruben. What I have said is that I've now met Ruben and I like him. - This is interesting Yojimbo, I think we understand, it is logical and makes sense. But how come you don't understand a simple thing about the main argument against these instruments that almost everyone here dislikes and it is not based on Prof.Ruben's person only, but I believe more it comes from experience and good, working senses, especially eyes and ears. Also a common sense these are the painful points that disqualify the AG brand from serious competition with other, serious names: - no clear or any verifiable origin - no transparent marketing - no attractive design - no real sound - no realistic price related to quality And you haven't answered my question that I was so curious about to hear the answer from you. Why there are no people, or such a group of people disliking Arcangel Fernandez, Gerundino, Reyes or similar big names?? Why nobody assaults their owners for having crappy guitars?? Do you think it's because there is some secret conspiracy against poor AG? I will answer this for you - because their products are speaking for themselves and need no further propagation. And because they're of certain obvious quality that is easily recognizable, so even an ordinary guy from the street would recognize it. But here we go, we investigate with a zooming glass after the AG's absenting quality. While there is no indication that we may look at some luthiery breakthrough and no solid evidence for it, some people have a belief, that there is a quality, but only a critical minority recognizes it... If this was a quality deal, the luthier would have no problem to stand up and clearly disclose, YES, THIS IS MY WORK. For it's only a Prof. Ruben's indoctrination of rather naive students and for personal profit that this brand came into existence. And I predict these prices we have now objections against will soon drop remarkably, because I believe they are experiencing major problems with lower demand. Chinese are hard to beat in this quality range (given, that AG are not specifically chinese, what can also be doubted...) I'm saying you will get the same thing from China for the 1/10 of the price. Those folks work like bees, you know? Does it not sound like a big scam to you??
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Date Mar. 14 2011 1:10:57
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Yojimbo
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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to M.S.A.)
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ORIGINAL: M.S.A. quote:
I have no connection with either the brand or with Ruben. What I have said is that I've now met Ruben and I like him. - This is interesting Yojimbo, I think we understand, it is logical and makes sense. But how come you don't understand a simple thing about the main argument against these instruments that almost everyone here dislikes and it is not based on Prof.Ruben's person only, but I believe more it comes from experience and good, working senses, especially eyes and ears. Also a common sense these are the painful points that disqualify the AG brand from serious competition with other, serious names: - no clear or any verifiable origin - no transparent marketing - no attractive design - no real sound - no realistic price related to quality And you haven't answered my question that I was so curious about to hear the answer from you. Why there are no people, or such a group of people disliking Arcangel Fernandez, Gerundino, Reyes or similar big names?? Why nobody assaults their owners for having crappy guitars?? Do you think it's because there is some secret conspiracy against poor AG? I will answer this for you - because their products are speaking for themselves and need no further propagation. And because they're of certain obvious quality that is easily recognizable, so even an ordinary guy from the street would recognize it. But here we go, we investigate with a zooming glass after the AG's absenting quality. While there is no indication that we may look at some luthiery breakthrough and no solid evidence for it, some people have a belief, that there is a quality, but only a critical minority recognizes it... If this was a quality deal, the luthier would have no problem to stand up and clearly disclose, YES, THIS IS MY WORK. For it's only a Prof. Ruben's indoctrination of rather naive students and for personal profit that this brand came into existence. And I predict these prices we have now objections against will soon drop remarkably, because I believe they are experiencing major problems with lower demand. Chinese are hard to beat in this quality range (given, that AG are not specifically chinese, what can also be doubted...) I'm saying you will get the same thing from China for the 1/10 of the price. Those folks work like bees, you know? Does it not sound like a big scam to you?? Well, I can't argue against some of the points your bring up (and I haven't been). It just bugs me when some folks pontificate about the guitar not being very good when they've neither seen nor heard one in real life. It's the principle for me - and that's the only point I've really commented on. Re the other stuff, I think it's fair to know where they come from and who makes them. The design looks ok to me. And now....I must go practice a bit - I really would like to be able to play and all the posting I've done here today isn't helping my dexterity.
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