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Come on guys..... here it is.... the chance to show this place is not just a "nerd out on TABs" kind of place. A creative bunch of thoughtful and creative guitarists that are capable of playing off the cuff.
Do I have to offer more "prizes" to get this party started?
well then..................OK.
2 more. next 2 video submissions get 3 month accounts.
man, I am not too good at improvising. I just gave this a try and I came up with some nice stuff but when I just improvise out of nowhere it's very choppy. I guess I'm too much of a perfectionist.. I throw away 99% of what I play because it's just not "good enough" even though I may enjoy playing it at the time.
Also, a minor correction: in my "explanation" video, I accidentally called the tremolo section a picado section. Probably obvious to anyone who saw it.. Thx
congrats on the imminent addition Brian...always think of two points in my life... before and after children! amazed at the depth and time you took to explain the process...you do work quickly!..enjoyed the vid... hoping to upload and post some more within the next 48 hours..just have to get the weekend of gigs and rehearsals out the way...[and have some sense of family life]...
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I throw away 99% of what I play because it's just not "good enough" even though I may enjoy playing it at the time.
felt that way about my post but i guess you need to keep putting it out there particularly if you enjoy it at the time...figure all compositions are born of improvisation...regardless of ability or level...
this thread has been a great and positive resource for me...
im taking my time with the project, its taking a fair bit for the info to sink in for me, but i will continue until i come up with a simple minera (i will have to keep it really simple technique wise) it might take me ages though. im finding it really hard to follow the instruction from the thread, but that just drives me to improve
Jason just basically laid out a whole map of instructive guidelines for you to just noodle around in circles and improvise your way to minera. The harmonic relationships between each key in minera is well explained, now it seems we don't have to put much effort into solving harmony riddles...
Thanks Jason, i hope you still would offer account promos in the future.haha
Jason just basically laid out a whole map of instructive guidelines for you to just noodle around in circles and improvise your way to minera.
Circles........ well that would depend on how the information was used. Yes harmony does function in a cyclical manner, so I suppose you are right there if I interpret your statement correctly.
I have given much here over the years including information, advice, humor and criticism. I have for a number of challenges both of my own design like this one as well as ones created and suggested by others, offered as prize and incentive for participation, accounts to my lesson website. I will no doubt offer more in the future.
now it seems we don't have to put much effort into solving harmony riddles...
im 3 days in and i still dont know what the hell im doing
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Well, look on the bright side, at least you can improvise. I can't improvise at all, the instructions may as well be written in Chinese for me.
i can improvise a bit, but on a real basic level, but i feel like its chinese for me too. dont let that stop you man, have you tried google translate? (or maybe writing it down as chord charts)
I am glad to see so many people attempting to free themselves from interpretation and move into improvisation. It is a difficult leap, for some; my self personally (although I make attempts).
To answer neotriz: Minera is a Traranta in G#. If you can transpose the best option would be to try and work on some of the signature licks in Taranta and find them in G#. This is very doable. There are many great examples of Tarantas you could find. This is not a score but I hope this helps some. Keep me posted.
To the composers out there here are some wonderful examples of the style for inspiration in your wonderings:
I hope they are useful.
Best of luck!
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His amazing technique is one that never loses touch with the spiritual improvisation and direct communication style of flamenco and which does not make virtuosity a goal in itself, but communicates deep sublime emotional qualities. - Manolo Sanlucar
By the way, just to be clear, the fact I don't understand the instructions has nothing to do with the instructions themselves; I am just not there yet, I hope I will be one day.
Bmaj/A, Amaj7, A7, A7#11, Amin7, Amin6, F#min7,F#min7/G, G#7b9, B7, B11, Emaj, Fmaj,Emaj (like Sabicas , notice that E,F,E solea relationship?...... do it man, don't think twice, its allright), A6, A6/9, G#min7, G#min7#5, C#min7,F#7,Bmaj,E7, A, Amin7, G#7b9, D7#11, C#min7,D7#11, C#min7, D#min7b5, B7, B7b9, Emin, D, C7#11, Bmaj,B7b9,C,B, A, A7#ll, Amin7, G#7b9
I´ll need a book and a week of time to look up all these chords. So, Im sadly not in. Why dont you just post a video where you just strum them down? Would be much faster than typing and less complicated.
thanks joven beautiful performances came across these as well as some by paco and vicente which will be jewels forever
a few of us here are grateful to jason for explaining the minera in a musical way... to my ear the roadmap an analysis he presented really is what is going on but we can only dream of playing like manolo life is short sometimes it is more truthful to find something of your own efforts than to copy someone else's work badly...
am sure manolo improvised his way to the end result of this minera..
it is great to be explained the essence of something...
I´ll need a book and a week of time to look up all these chords. So, Im sadly not in. Why dont you just post a video where you just strum them down? Would be much faster than typing and less complicated.
I'm not alone!!! I tried going into GuitarPro to create the chord diagrams ( I downloaded the trial version to see if I could do this) but I gave up after the 4th chord, could not create any of them. Could not do the /A on the Bmaj is Amaj7 the same as A7m? Well, I got the A7 A7#11... no
I would ask for explanation but I think I will get another page of text. Well well well, what a surprise, another thing I will have to work on.
I´ll need a book and a week of time to look up all these chords. So, Im sadly not in. Why dont you just post a video where you just strum them down? Would be much faster than typing and less complicated.
thats quite literally the approach im taking, but im using the internet as a book, and the week might turn into longer
So chord theory... this is something I will work on when I have some time but have no access to a guitar. I can play for hours but learning theory just kills me. So I am lazy that way. Time to change that.
Like Marduk said, it will take me a while to come up with the chords but the next time it will be easier.
Uhm. ok so here's me trying some(!) of the stuff in the idea post. very short thing
Dont know why youtube squashed the image.... :-|
What I tried to get in there is the playing around with C and G, D# against E, the Am7(13) dominant, but mostly altering from dark sounding scales to happy sounds etc.
So chord theory... this is something I will work on when I have some time but have no access to a guitar. I can play for hours but learning theory just kills me. So I am lazy that way. Time to change that.
yeah same for me. Chinese
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"The most important part of Flamenco is not in knowing how to interpret it. The higher art is in knowing how to listen." (Luis Agujetas)
i think some of us beginners need to team up with our study of this. i just got really frustrated and had to take a step back for a second.
im going to start all over again, but really slowly and go over jasons post really slow, write down all the chords and note suggestions on paper so i can work out the basics of it on guitar instead of paper, then go from there
if anyone else is struggling with the theory, I know enough that i can slowly work the chords out and things like that, but i would love to chat more freely with some others who are working it out too
if your keen to have a little online study session with me sometime soon, and use msn or something with a chat feature, mail me here and we can swap emails
does anyone make a tiny little soft flamenco guitar that i can buy and throw at my computer?
This is like torturing yourself and guess what, next time trying to figure out some cords or scales it will be torture all over again. Learning to read music isn't hard.
Finding a classical guitar teacher in your area should be easy. The basic technique of playing flamenco and classical is very similar. Considering you have only recently started to play the guitar, you will benefit from that.
You will learn one lesson at a time, you won't struggle or get frustrated but in 6 months time you'll be able to read and play simple scores and in one year you'll read any score. There's no shortcut.
thanks for the advice Mike_Kinny. i am more having problems with trying to translate the cadences and small things, im used to being taught face to face, or by trusting my ear, and i have used tabs and can slowly transcribe sheet music
i can work out all the chords, but im new to flamenco and im trying to find flamenco sounding voicings (i have been playing rock and blues and some metal most of my life)
i have a flamenco guitar teacher, and i am making really good progress with my lessons from him, but im in the early days and only just starting to be able to feel compas in some of the palos (while listening)
im making a bit of progress with some of Jason's lessons also
i have a lot of time on my hands though and want to practice more than my muscles and hands will let me, so i enjoy researching, and working out music on paper. i am mainly doing this "torture" to myself, because being dilligent and pushing through, has always paid off at least a little bit in the past, apart from getting frustrated and needing to change my approach, im enjoying myslef
i would like to have some classical training, mainly to learn the musical silibus because i would love to be a teacher one day, but at the moment i dont have the money for it, I would like to have lessons with my flamenco teacher more if i had the money for it, but its probably good that i dont, because i spend more time working on each thing
the first two chords B/A to A [ or other way round}with an emajor scale as melodic connecting device resolving to the minera chord {G#7 b9} my next 24 hours of practice will be to refine this into a short alzapua section then go back and look at the other material i've posted and try to work out an arpeggio sequence...
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