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mezzo

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RE: How much do you really enjoy can... (in reply to kovachian) 
Romas (roms) and romanians is not the same. The romas live in Romania but not only. They also live in Bulgaria or in the Balkans (i think).

Gitanos live in Spain, Portugal, France...and not only in Andalucia.

Calling the Romas people Romanians is a mistake. Is like calling a Gitano an Andaluce.

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RE: How much do you really enjoy can... (in reply to mezzo) 
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The romas live in Romania but not only. They also live in Bulgaria or in the Balkans (i think).


Well, they certainly don't live in Northern Ireland now..

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6521774.ece

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Richard Ogilby

 

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RE: How much do you really enjoy can... (in reply to mezzo) 
http://flamencoapaloseco.blogspot.com/search/label/Antolog%C3%ADa%20del%20Cante%20Gitano%20de%20Nuestra%20Tierra
I put this in the classified .
Here'how you can find out if you reallly love the cante.

BTW all this Gitano stuff has been answered by DNA. We're all from Africa.

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RE: How much do you really enjoy can... (in reply to Richard Ogilby) 
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BTW all this Gitano stuff has been answered by DNA. We're all from Africa.


Best reply to the thread until now Olé!!

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Richard Ogilby

 

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RE: How much do you really enjoy can... (in reply to Guest) 
In Andalucia you run into A gypsy family that will tell you the other Gypsy family down the street doesn't know anything about flamenco.Then you run into "It's in the blood" Culural ? Racial?
"We're all from Africa" levels the hate out .

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RE: How much do you really enjoy can... (in reply to Mike_Kinny) 
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Haven't there been any interbreeding between gypsies and non-gypsies? When some say Tomatito is a gypsy, does it mean he is 100% gypsy? Moraito 100% gypsy?



the question is... who cares?
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mezzo

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RE: How much do you really enjoy can... (in reply to Ron.M) 
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Well, they certainly don't live in Northern Ireland now..

Very bad time for these people in the whole Europaland...SCAPEGOAT.

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Then you run into "It's in the blood" Culural ? Racial?

Yes it seems a very widespread perception in this community. Especially regarding the cante abilities.

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RE: How much do you really enjoy can... (in reply to Guest) 
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quote: BTW all this Gitano stuff has been answered by DNA. We're all from Africa



Confuses race (supposedly genetic) with culture (constructed by man).

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It is interesting to note the number of ethno-historians and ethno-musicologists on this forum who perceive a difference between "Roma" and "Gitano," both of which refer to the same people, Gypsies. Gitano literally means Gypsy in Spanish, while Roma is the more universally used term among anthropologists, referring to all of them, whether in Andalucia, Bulgaria, Romania, or Chile, where I encountered some near Valparaiso. They all have their roots in India, although Westerners first assumed they originated in Egypt (thus "Gypsy").

This thread has over-analyzed the subject (and not always accurately) to the point where it would suck the joy out of any attempt to appreciate and enjoy cante. If you enjoy cante, then enjoy! if not, then don't. No need to write a dissertation on the subject.

Cheers,

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RE: How much do you really enjoy can... (in reply to Mike_Kinny) 
The one thing Paco did invent is Ottmar :-)
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Big talk. Play something.


Okay.





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RE: How much do you really enjoy can... (in reply to JasonMcGuire) 
The role of cante and the point of flamenco......

They sing we play. Its fun. Makes good noise. Much Merriment. Makes life suck less. Simple.

Solo guitar...... for sleepy time.

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Florian

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RE: How much do you really enjoy can... (in reply to JasonMcGuire) 
Pimientito cool, it dosent matter anyway...i dont know why i thought it was such a big deal yesterday




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The role of cante and the point of flamenco......

They sing we play. Its fun. Makes good noise. Much Merriment. Makes life suck less. Simple.

Solo guitar...... for sleepy time.


101% agreed..just for my own taste anyway...each to their own ofcourse...

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Not you...we know you can play.




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What do you want me to play for you sonny? Any particular palo you want to learn more about?


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It feels like Bill the kid is teaching the guitar.


Howdy partner. Lets have a look at that there owlzapooooa.

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RE: How much do you really enjoy can... (in reply to Mike_Kinny) 
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You and me don't care but some people use this kind of bs to spread myth.

Non-gypsy can't sing as well as a gypsy.
Non-Spaniards can never be as good as Spaniards.
Flamenco can't be written down. If you ask how come, then they say because it's malo and surprise: those who say that can't read and write music themselves.
Live together with some gitanos to sound authentic.
Paco invented rasgeo, alzapua, cejilla and everything else under the sun.
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Who are these people who keep spreading this BS, we should ban them

I was telling Harold about this thread and he summed it up beautifully saying anyone can learn music, anyone can learn great technique, but flamenco is so much more than that, and it dont mean a thing if you aint got that swing

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