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Ron.M

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to stratos13)

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Actually I am pretty sure imho.

Great stratos!

Any chance of even a slow-medium speed video to demonstrate?

I've woke up in the morning and finally figured it out in my head, but when I try it out on the guitar...it still doesn't fit.

I'd like to get to the bottom of this...and words/verbal explanations don't really help anymore.

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 5 2010 18:27:24

stratos13

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to Ron.M)

Ok. I show you the first two parts, the third i am too lazy lazy to try and figure out. I don't play it well, but that is mainly because i don;t use this alzapua style and also to take it fast i would have to play it many times so i do not think while i play.

Anyway, apart from that i think it can be done into speed.

in the end of the video i do the 3note alzapua at speed, but not changing the note.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 5 2010 19:24:32

Ron.M

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to stratos13)

Well done stratos...

I think you might be on the right lines to solving this problem!

Certainly has potential and has a similar sound!

However I came up with a similar thing, but it still didn't fit when played fast and it seemed too complicated..

Which makes me think he constantly varies what he's doing on the fly.

(I'll think about it...

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cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 5 2010 19:57:28

stratos13

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to Ron.M)

Not well done.

What you have to do in order to play this, is to write it down, with 16ths, but the alzapua in 3s in order to picturise it.
Then you have to take it to speed. But it is not so difficult. If i find the time i might try this and make a video tomorrow

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 5 2010 20:02:07

Ron.M

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to stratos13)

stratos,

You don't really have to take it to speed, man!

If you can even verify slowly the little things of how the pull-off comes in on the first line and where the thumb DOWN strokes always land (which you can clearly hear) that would be enough!

And the puzzling bit at 0:05 to 0:06 at the end of the first line (of the SLOW version).. where the thumb is definitely going down on the C-B-C on the 5th string..but fits in the open D as well...(but the D doesn't sound like a thumb upstroke??)

So it's C(D)B(D)C
But played very cleanly and well separated...(and without hitting any other strings on the upstroke if it IS a thumb upstroke on the D??)

So how does he do that?

The thing is...you can work out various ways of doing it, but there are definitely bits where you can hear the diff between a downstroke, an upstroke, a pull-off and a hammer-on and these don't line up no matter how I do it!

I dunno...

This one I had to give up on before I smashed the guitar.....

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 5 2010 20:24:48

mark indigo

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to Ron.M)

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Speaking of good amateurs, I like this video...especially the alzapua.

....if anybody can do this EXACTLY the same

maan, these guys look compleeeetely wasted, to do this EXACTLY the same would you have to be on whatever they're on???

theguitarist also looks a lot like one of the guys doing the palmas on some of the encuentro vids, the riqueni one i think, maybe they were both on there

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 5 2010 21:55:19

mark indigo

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to mark indigo)

the guitarist is Javier Serrano and he does palmas on the Tomatito and Rafael Riqueni Encuentro vids

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 6 2010 6:56:27

Pimientito

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to mezzo)

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maybe he learn to play that way because when juergas comes if there is only a right hand guitar

Yay...you got the right answer. Its not because he's a Moron at all. Do you really believe for a moment that a flamenco musician in Seville doesnt know which way round the strings go?
He must have a guitar strung "left handed" at home. As you say, left handed players are constantly being handed right handed guitars and they just get use to punching out compas on them. If that is what he can do on an upside down guitar then imagine what he will sound like on his own instrument!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 6 2010 9:35:55

rombsix

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to mark indigo)

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the guitarist is Javier Serrano and he does palmas on the Tomatito and Rafael Riqueni Encuentro vids

OH yeahhhhhhhhh! That's where I've seen him!

I had that same video as stratos of the alzapua, but I deleted it because I thought the one I came up with was closer. I won't dare have another try at it soon though because my pulgar skin did NOT appreciate the efforts.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 6 2010 10:28:08

Ron.M

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to rombsix)

Maybe Ramzi is right about there being another guitar off-camera!

http://www.youtube.com/user/FLAMENCOPUDO#p/u/6/Y7LDBfHEOjE

At about 03:15 it sounds like there's even ANOTHER guitar off camera!

(Also in places in the first Bulerias)

Maybe trying to get that Tangos alzapua sound with one guitar is an impossible task?

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 6 2010 11:07:11

Doitsujin

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to rombsix)

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the guitarist is Javier Serrano and he does palmas on the Tomatito and Rafael Riqueni Encuentro vids

Fine,.. I thought he looks similar. Good to have the answer black on white.

When I saw him in the encuentro video in past I thought " Where did they pick up that junkie?" He looks absent and broken in the video. Very strange appearance.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 6 2010 19:19:00

Ron.M

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to Doitsujin)

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Very strange appearance.

His nickname is "Piños"..I think he looks OK...on these videos anyway.

So if you think he looks strange, what do you think of the cajon player then?

He's called "kocacolo".

( I must admit I thought at first it read "Kocaloco"..

)

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 6 2010 19:34:30

Doitsujin

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to Ron.M)

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So if you think he looks strange, what do you think of the cajon player then?

.... He looks rather normal.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 6 2010 21:15:15

Ron.M

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to Doitsujin)

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.... He looks rather normal.

He sorta puts me in mind of the actor Vincent Schiavelli.....

(Especially his character in "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest")

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2010 9:10:34

Ron.M

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to Ron.M)

This guy..

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2010 9:17:50

Arash

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to Ron.M)

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ORIGINAL: Ron.M

Maybe Ramzi is right about there being another guitar off-camera!

http://www.youtube.com/user/FLAMENCOPUDO#p/u/6/Y7LDBfHEOjE

At about 03:15 it sounds like there's even ANOTHER guitar off camera!

(Also in places in the first Bulerias)

Maybe trying to get that Tangos alzapua sound with one guitar is an impossible task?

cheers,

Ron

at 3.15 seams like the sound setting of the camera has been changed, or the the guy who made the video, later made some changes in sound (eq, reverb, etc.). because also the palmas sounds brighter and everything is also louder and with a little reverb effect.

No other guitar player

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2010 9:39:27

Ron.M

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to Arash)

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No other guitar player

Hi Arash,

So would your opinion be that the alzapua is definitely ONE guitar?

I sort of feel that it IS one guitar....but God knows how he's doing it...especially those "machine gun" upstrokes or off-beats!

In that Tangos, you can hear another guitar later on in the piece, but up till then it sounds like only one to me.

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2010 9:47:23

Doitsujin

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to Ron.M)

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He sorta puts me in mind of the actor Vincent Schiavelli.....

(Especially his character in "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest")

hahahaha... yes indeed! But the guitarist looks even worse... Like he drank from the grail with the false cup.

A good avatar by the way...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2010 21:35:40

Ramon Amira

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to Jim Opfer)

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I found this on YouTube. The guitarist is left handed but he's playing a right hand strung guitar. Everyting is back to front, upside down etc...etc.
Plays picado and chords the opposite way. How does his brain work?

Check this out. This is a classical guitarist playing left handed on a right hand strung guitar. He is playing the difficult Allegro movement from "La Catredal" by Barrios, a well known classical guitar piece.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2010 5:16:17

Doitsujin

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RE: weird but wonderful (in reply to Ron.M)

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Check this out. This is a classical guitarist playing left handed on a right hand strung guitar. He is playing the difficult Allegro movement from "La Catredal" by Barrios, a well known classical guitar piece.

A clear indication for having waaaaayy too much time.

By the way. I´m off for breakfast, sports, guitar, eat, drink, movie, sleep.

Oh ****! Today its Saturday! Yahoouuu 2 days off...Just forgot about that.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2010 8:57:47