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After all this time listening to flamenco, I'm embarased to say that I just got my first full cd of Sabicas (Grandes Figures du Flamenco), and I got to say, WOW!!! The man was like a machine. I mean, loud, clear, fast and no stopping at any time during the songs. Them fingers always flying. Needles to say, I ended up with a whole bunch of questions, so here go a few. Maybe someone can help me with my learning curve. Syncopation - Is that the gaps in play that PDL introduced which seem to be lacking in Sabicas? He seems to cover every second of every song with notes. Machine gun Rasgeados - Seems he had some in several songs. I was under the impression PDL started that trend. Am I just confused? Barbero guitar - Things I've read about the "perfect" flamenco guitar seem to refer back to Sabicas' barbero model. Anyone know if he actually used it in this cd? One can tell different guitars were used, just trying to hear the sound of the famous one. Action - Regardless of the guitars he used, all seem to have that low action with the very obvious light metal buzzing. I notice that currently this is not as perceptive with the new greats. Is it due to a change in tastes with time, or the need for more ranges due to solo playing. Sorry to be long winded. I'll stop now. Thanks, SJ
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Date Dec. 11 2004 2:12:04
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ToddK
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I play a copy of the 51 Barbero actually. (Brune) Sabicas used a 51 Marcelo Barbero for Flamenco Puro. No Ramirez on that album. Its my understanding, through my conversations with Richard Brune, who actually had this guitar in his posession, that the Barbero had a negative neck relief. The actuall bridge/hieght "action" was rather normal. Over 3mm in fact. We agree that the buzzing was purposeful. Liken this to the snares on a drum head, or on a cajone. Thats the sound he was going for. If it wasnt, he wouldnt have used that guitar. IMHO, there havent been any changes in strings that would lessen buzz. That comes from physics, wich i dont think will ever change. Also, there are some older PDL pieces that are more straight 8's and 16's throughout, with not lots of synco. I saw an old video of him playing the beginings of Guajira de Lucia, and it sounded like Sabicas. Toddk
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Date Dec. 11 2004 14:10:54
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Ron.M
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I had the great luck of seeing Sabicas play live in a little theatre in Madrid once. He was a guest on a sort of Spanish Variety show. He was a pretty old man and needed a bit of help getting to his seat to play. At that time Paco de Lucia had really taken a grip on the Flamenco guitar world and Paco and Camaron were the new, young fenomenos. So I went mainly out of interest, to see this legend play, but basically I was won over by the "new wave" myself. But when the man began to play! You weren't even conscious of the guitar, just this beautifully lyrical music filling the space of the theatre. He had this fantastic, warm sound and the falsetas just were seamless as the music flowed effortlessly from his hands. He brought the house down! And I left knowing I had seen a true master, and a regained respect for the man's work. If you can get a hold of "The Queen of the Gypsies" LP, with Carmen Amaya, his playing on it stands up to anything you can hear today as far as technique, energy, drive and syncopation go IMO. cheers Ron
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Date Dec. 11 2004 14:59:27
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On the subject of Grandes Figures, I have just bought a copy and its seems to have an incorrect track listing.Trk 2 is listed as Ecos de la Mina whereas I recognise it as Punta y Tacon from Toddk's video - 15 is Ecos Jerezanos not Brisas de la Caleta - 17 is OK ,cos it's the only song - 14 is a siguiriya(i'm learning gradually!) - after that I,m not sure.Can anyone help? Thanks Andy P
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Date May 6 2005 6:09:46
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