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at_leo_87
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RE: i don't want no speeding ticket!... (in reply to Ron.M)
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That is, folk don't show off their individual stuff or stuff that they do in performance, but say take a quarter of an hour with everybody just doing palmas together with the guitar? hey ron, that's how we currently practice. the problem is, the palmas will then "hide" behind the guitar. it's a bit difficult to explain but if you ever watch a beginner guitarist play to solo compas or beginner dancers play palmas to solo compas, you'll sometimes notice a "chasing" feeling. it's sometimes ahead or after the beat, never really on. with a solo compas cd, you can't influence it. but for me, it really throws me off, especially when it's loud. another issue besides timing, is that there's absolutely no groove or pulse. just a bunch of smacking of hands together.
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Date Oct. 8 2010 19:38:18
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at_leo_87
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RE: i don't want no speeding ticket!... (in reply to KMMI77)
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You have to just keep going and practicing together. If you want to work hard and improve .... when it's not right. I hate seeing flamenco groups who do that. thank you for the excellent advice, kris! i always try to be sensitive to other people's levels. it comes easy to me. i've even played with dancers who were just plainly out of compas. but i just followed them and made them look good. the only problem, like mark pointed out, is when they think they're at a a level where they dont have anything else to improve on. and it makes it worse when they try to blame it on me. of course, i make mistakes. but mistakes are different than things that needs a total makeover. quote:
If they are actually DANCERS who clap every now and then, then you cant expect too much sensitivity regarding tightness/rhyhtm/speed ups. Or you be more patient and wait 1, 2 years. yup, we're not talking about palmeros. just dancers who do palmas. 1 or 2 years is a long time. even then, i dont think it'll improve without someone pointing it out. quote:
I have a suggestion, how about recording your palo and put it in playback so that YOU and the palmaseros and dancers could all do palmas together with you leading them, teaching them how to feel the groove and compas. this is a great idea. and i thought about recording stuff, and pairing that same track with solo compas, a plain metronome, and nothing at all, so that they can practice at home. you cant argue with a recording that you know is in compas. quote:
if they can't hold a rhythm with their hands, how will they hold a rhythm with their feet? or with their feet and hands combined? i always think this. some people refuse to do palmas in class. i always think they're crazy. quote:
But there are also dancers who can do palmas very well of course!! Its just in general those who have problems dont care too much about accuracy of palmas so that often they dont even realize they are just a hair too slow or fast. They focus more on dance i guess... yeah i dont think they realize palmas needs it's own dedicated practice time.
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Date Oct. 9 2010 15:10:17
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