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Meaning of "Por"
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Kate
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From: Living in Granada, Andalucía
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RE: Meaning of "Por" (in reply to Escribano)
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ORIGINAL: Escribano quote:
Por means "for" I understand that "por" means "for" only when "in exchange for something else". Perhaps this is the sense of solea "in exchange" for buleria? Por means many many things...... Por means 'for' as in "Esta valla es por los conejos" The fence is for the rabbits, as in 'because of' ie 'no podemos salir por la nieve', we cant go out because of the snow. Por also indicates origin or inspiration of an emotion or mental state " Todo por la Patria" or "me fastidia por lo mal que canta" Por can mean by, in passive construction " El suelo estaba cubierta por una alfombra" Por can mean runs on, works by, by means of, as in "Se puede pagar por tarjeta de credito" Por can mean in support of, 'Yo voté por los liberales'. Por can mean exchange for, substitute for, " El dará la clase por mí" distrubution per "tres raciones por persona" Por can mean 'for' when talking about money " un cheque por cien dolares" Por can mean ' to judge by' "por lo visto" which mean apparantly Por can mean in search of, 'Ha ido por agua' He went for water. It also means however, "por fuerte que ustede griten', however loud you shout It's used with various verbs, intersarse por , to be interested in, precocuparse por, to be worried about. It is used in time and means 'in', 'Debío ser por mayo' as in 'it must have been in May'. It also is a preposition of place, all over or throughout. "He viajado por España" as well as in, up to, through, out of, down "Se cayó por la escalera" and is use in conjunction with adverbs of place to denote direction " Por aqui', 'por allí', and in Andalucia 'por aca" It also means 'times' as in '2 por 2 es 4' And can mean something like that as in ' Es abagado o algo por el estilo' 'He's alawyer or dsomething of that ilk. I'm sure theres many many more, these are scribbled notes from my university course, and referenced to a great book Butt and Benjamin's ' Grammar of Modern Spanish". Now I just have to get them right when I speak Welcome to the wonderful world of Spanish grammar. Kate ps its raining, that'll mean more snow on the mountains.
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Date Nov. 30 2004 13:52:01
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RE: Meaning of "Por" (in reply to Kate)
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Kate ps its raining, that'll mean more snow on the mountains. Sunny in Cadiz!!! Great dissertation Kate; how about another one on "para". Spanish is not as easy as it seems, especially when you get mixed up with the flamencos. Sean
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Date Nov. 30 2004 13:56:40
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Kate
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From: Living in Granada, Andalucía
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RE: Meaning of "Por" (in reply to Guest)
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Hey Sean envy you the sunshine, this weather is too British :) Keeps Granada green though. Glad you thought my notes useful. I have some on Para as well, with a note NEVER to shorten it to "pa'" which of course I do all the time now living here and like you with flamencos so this is pa' ti, odd notes from my student years which dont seem to have helped me all that much Para is use to indicate purpose, object or destination, " Dos gardenias para ti" " Una mesa para dos" "Se preparó para saltar" It also serves an ironic purpose as in "Se abstuvo durante años de fumar y beber para luego morir en un accidente de coche' He gave up fags and booze for years only to die in a car accident. No es para tanto = Its not that serious. Direction after verbs of motion, " ibamos para casa..." we were going home..., "Ya va para viejo" he's getting old now. To indicate advantage, disadvantage usefulness and need. Such as "Fumar es malo para el salud" smoking is bad for the health. " Con esto tenemos para todos" with this we have enough for everybody. 'Es much dinero para tres noches' its a lot of money for three nights, Reaction, response, mood, 'para mí no es justo', doesn;t seem fair to me. No estoy para bromas - i'm not in the mood for jokes. 'for' when it means considering or in view of. " está muy alto para su edad", he's tall for his age. 'to' in certain reflexive verbs "me lo guardo para mi" I;m keeping it to myself 'about' in the meaning of 'on the point of" "estoy para llegar" I'm about to arrive Para used in time, 'para las cinco', by 5 o'clock For 5 days, para 5 días, It also means around and towards,' Estará terminado para finales de Noviembre' It'll be finished by end of Nov. And can mean 'nearly' Voy para cinco años sin fumar. I've gone nearly 5 years without smoking. As well as 'Not enough to' and 'considering how much' " Fue bastante rapido para lo mucho que dicen tardarán' It was quick considering how much they went on that it would be late. A basic distinction between por and para is that para expresses purpoe and destination and por cause or motive. hago esto para ti , I'm doing this for you hago esto por ti, I'm doing this because of you/on your behalf In translation if you can replace 'for' with 'out of or 'because of' then por would be correct. "Lo hago por el dinero." I did it for money. Hope this is helpful as well, interesting to look back a my old notes. Kate
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Date Nov. 30 2004 14:30:21
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