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estebanana

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

I wonder why he copied Barbero/A. Fernandez for his head design. Do you think he may have apprenticed to one of them? To me that would be the only excuse for not designing your own.

We're building a guitar for a client who owns a Sousa.

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CuerdasDulces

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

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Back to Gabe Souza-

There's something else he did or influenced that guitar players on this foro talk about constantly. Think geography.

His label kinda looks like this one

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

Back to Gabe Souza-

There's something else he did or influenced that guitar players on this foro talk about constantly. Think geography.

I went back and looked at the label and I think I get it. He must have copied the head of Barbero and the craftsmanship of Raphael Morales.

I hope mr. Sousa was really old and going blind when he built this guitar because there's no other excuse for sloppy work like the way that fingerboard lines up with the sound hole. When I get so old I can't build in a craftsmanly manner I hope someone shoots me.

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jshelton5040

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

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What year is the Souza in your shop John?

It's not in my shop. It belongs to a customer in another state. He just mentioned that he has one that belonged to Ray de la Torre.

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

Let me guess, in reference to the west coast luthiers discussion:

He has something to do with you and guitar making, or someone you know and guitar making. Some direct influence on you, eugene clark or something?

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

bugs can be a source of vital nutrients. perhaps you had eaten a lot of them and thus grown in brain capacity far beyond the normal mortal human being....

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estebanana

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

Ok do you want me to give my answer ? Or is anyone curious enough to hazard another guess?

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HemeolaMan

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

he was the mentor of.........

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

Wow. Thats pretty significant considering Lester's success with some of the biggest names in flamenco.

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Estevan

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to HemeolaMan)

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bugs can be a source of vital nutrients

but more importantly, French polish.

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

I recently acquired the 1961 Flamenco guitar that Gabriel Souza made for Jack Buckingham. It is a superior instrument in all respects and I play it every day. It is the most "Flamenco" of any in my collection. It has the power, clarity, brightness, brashness and raspiness one would hope for. I include pictures.

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

Am I the only one that finds all these deleted posts to be f**king annoying? I was just on here earlier this morning and didn't see this thread. Now it looks like I'll never see it, or at least 90 percent of it. Its a persons prerogative if they want to remove a post, but come on man... Maybe I'm the only one who lets what he says live on?

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estebanana

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

Hey Benito,

That's great you got a Sousa-tar and appreciate it. A little bit of US guitar making history. I'd love to see more pictures of the body. I did have more information here but I deleted it because someone copied my text and linked a commercial website to this thread a few years ago and I did not want my writing on his website. After his interest waned my laptop where the text was stored went 'klaput' and I was not able to restore the text here.

I see the flamenco police are keeping a dossier on my activities so I guess I should explain what the text was all about.

Gabe Sousa was a bit of an influence on Lester De Voe. Gabe was older and De Voe visited his shop and swapped information with him. I have a classical guitarist friend, Richard Spross, who knew Gabe Sousa fairly well and I have received knowledge of Sousa's guitars and time active as a builder a repairman in San Jose CA from Richard.

In sympathy with what Michel Foucault ( also the sentiment V.S. Naipaul) said of biography, (I paraphrase) "I don't read biography because record keeping is the job of the police." I must say I don't feel obligated to provide a trail of evidence to document my perceived crimes against internet discussion threads. However I personally enjoy a good biography and I think that truth be discovered, both Foucault and Naipaul would be guilty of reading biography.

I shall continue to operate covertly as a guitar maker under this egregiously unfair and aggressive surveillance.

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estebanana

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to Benito de Albuquerque)

Also as far as Sousa's craftsmanship is concerned: People who live in glass workshops should refrain from throwing chisels.

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

What's the question???

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

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However I personally enjoy a good biography and I think that truth be discovered, both Foucault and Naipaul would be guilty of reading biography.

V.S. Naipaul is one of the (perhaps "the") finest observors and essayists writing today. Woe to those (individuals or entire societies) who, falling under Naipaul's penetrating gaze, reveal absurdities and contradictions that provide much fodder for, and become the target of, his pen.

Naipaul writes first-rate fiction as well, using some of the themes found in his essays. Glad to see someone else on the Foro who appreciates his penetrating prose and sardonic wit.

Cheers,

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to BarkellWH)

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Glad to see someone else on the Foro who appreciates his penetrating prose and sardonic wit.

I embrace sardonic wit, and revel in its bite being wed to a great prose writing. Ha ha. Hello Bill!

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estebanana

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to TANúñez)

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What's the question???

The question was: Which famous No. CA. luthier of flamenco guitars was Gabe Sousa a friend and perhaps part mentor to?

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estebanana

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RE: Gabe Souza Guitar pics- 1966 Cla... (in reply to estebanana)

Bill,

When Naipual expressed his distain for biography what he had in mind was the literary trend about twenty years ago to document the travel of ones ancestors from which ever village in Nowhereistanawad to America. Several American writers of Asian ancestry wrote these personal family memoirs and so many writers jumped on the bandwagon that it almost became a genre in itself. Naipaul's anti fervor for these books was focused on his point that everyone has a family story, and that so many publishers produced these books that it became a self indulgent commercial exercise. Of course only a South Asian like Naipaul who has a fascinating story of his own could rise to critique this phenomena, he said he had more important things to observe than to muse nostalgically over his family history.

On one hand it sounds harsh, but part of what he said is that he wanted to strip back the idea that the immigrant has no value in a new culture and thus must create value by retelling ( over and over in that commercial publishing glut ) an origin mythology. He was critical of writers who went for the low hanging fruit of family biography over current subjects which he said where more difficult to tackle critically.

Foucault of course was interested in a critique of various forms of power and his mind was too non linear and complex to sit through the telling of a mundane birth to death story. I think he included biography in his research, he had to have done so, but when he said record keeping is for the police he may have been speaking with some hyperbole. The police hassled him from time to time.

The other writer I admire for his non transparent attitude is Genet. It's probably been to my own social disadvantage, but a boon to self discovery and preservation, that I took to heart something he said in a conversation with an interviewer: I go at society from an oblique angle. It's crucial for an artist to neither be on the outside or inside of society.

I really admire Genet's bravery as well as his work. In another life I would like to be a set designer so I could set his play The Balcony.

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