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mark indigo
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 RE: accompanying dancers question (in reply to at_leo_87)
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so for bulerias, when a dancer does something in threes (accents on 12-3-6-9) what can i play on guitar when the straight forward 12-2-6-8-10 compas doesn't work?
if it is a 2 compas section, or multiples of 2 compas, you can play something like this, 3 beats on each chord:
D-, G7, C7, F7, G-7, G-7with G#bass (actually a Bflat7 chord), A, A7
(at the end if you are playing 4 or 6 compases of this you can play 3 beats A, 3 beats A7, and on the very last 6 beats come out on a normal beat 6-10 remate on A)
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Date Nov. 10 2009 23:27:16
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at_leo_87
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RE: accompanying dancers question (in reply to mark indigo)
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if it is a 2 compas section, or multiples of 2 compas, you can play something like this, 3 beats on each chord:
D-, G7, C7, F7, G-7, G-7with G#bass (actually a Bflat7 chord), A, A7
(at the end if you are playing 4 or 6 compases of this you can play 3 beats A, 3 beats A7, and on the very last 6 beats come out on a normal beat 6-10 remate on A)
last class, they were doing it as a 3 compas section. 
but this is cool, i'll try it out playing solo and if they start doing 4 compas, i'll have something to try out. thanks!
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Date Nov. 12 2009 16:57:25
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at_leo_87
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RE: accompanying dancers question (in reply to John O.)
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Thinking in 6/8:
Guitar intro (compás) / Cante intro two tacts / Copla = five tacts repeated three times ending on 1. All done four times.
The guitar intro isn't always the same length but usually 3 or 4 tacts. You let everyone know you're ending by leaving the 6 open on the last two tacts, the dancers usually do palmas in contra on the last tact.
The the first two sets of five tacts in the copla usually are the same and based on the cante intro, the third is a bit different. It's not really a rule though, you can repeat a 5-tact melody three times or have three different parts.
If you listen to a couple of them you'll hear it, it's a lot easier to hear than to write out as I have - the structure is always the same.
so if there is no singer, how would the format be?
intro, another intro, falsetta?
slightly offtopic, how come some people don't consider sevillanas very flamenco? i avoided them at first because of this prejudice but they can actually be interesting. sometimes they give me the feel of a "mini-fandangos de huelva."
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Date Nov. 12 2009 16:59:10
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mark indigo
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RE: accompanying dancers question (in reply to at_leo_87)
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3 beats on each chord:
D-, G7, C7, F7, G-7, G-7with G#bass (actually a Bflat7 chord), A, A7
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they were doing it as a 3 compas section.
they were doing it like that on purpose to mess you up!  
the simplest (and perhaps the best) way would be something like;
4x3beats on A, 4x3beats on Bflat, 4x3beats on A (presumably coming out of the threes and winding up with a remate on the last 6 beats according to the choreography)
but you could do 4x3beats on A, 4x3beats on Bflat, then 3 beats on C, 3 beats on Bflat, and remate on A for the last 6 beats
if you want to try the longer sequence you could do 2 x 3beats on each of the first 4 chords D-, G7, C7, F7, then as before
or you could do 3 beats each of D-7, D-7flat5, G7, G7flat5, C7, C7flat5, F7, F7flat5, G-7, G-7/G#, then remate on A for 6beats, or A for 3, A7 for 3 to loop back and repeat according to the choreography
this is a bit formulaic and overly pattern-acious (i think i just made that word up), but it's the sort of thing i have come up with playing in classes and can just throw in - there are probably more authentic ways of putting in passing chords and/or making an extended chord sequence, but i don't know them (yet!)
the other problem with really long chord sequences is that if you mess it up, or if they mess it up/improvise (like they leave a compas out) you are out there on some strange chord far from home and you have to get back real quick somehow!
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Date Nov. 13 2009 0:48:37
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