aaron peacock -> RE: What's up with this newfangled culture of "interpreting" others intrepretations? (Dec. 12 2020 1:45:59)
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I started studying with a local singer. Unfortunately, since she had no knowledge of the guitar, the lessons consisted of her shaking her head when I played the wrong chord. I was rather dumbfounded when she said my flamenco education had begun. I asked what she thought I had been doing the previous five or so years and she said "Studying the guitar" I want to frame that quote and post it as the epitaph to this thread. It's amazingly spot on. It says so much. Thank you. I noted a fair sizable pissing contest and territorial dispute but I'm a primate too hey, so pass the bananas, Estebanana I love your purism and I respect your luthiership all the more knowing this side here too. Piwin, also full respect, especially any luthiers are full cultural ambassadors etc. I will humbly propose that, as a lifelong musician from a musical family steeped in all the music always yes more yes, having a fair amount of theory in my head, etc, that the only composers who write from a basis of music theory are car mechanics. music PEOPLE feel things and have music running in their heads 24 hours a day elaborating all the symphonies, songs, jams, ditties, advertising jingles, ringtones, tonal phrasing of verbal comments etc from the memory banks, and creativity is part of the hearing and interpretation process. I learned all my languages by immersion, as a child, never once by a grammar and books and theory and gatekeepers can get stuffed as I read them, dispute their authority, recuse their primary points, and live a live exemplary to the opposite. I learned Russian inside of a week with Russians in Russia. I was hungry. Тиь голоднй? хоциш по кушить? after awhile, and with gestural accompaniament, and elaboration of "ya kushal" etc, i started to instinctively apprehend the grammer, ya hutchoo kushit! any Russian speakers can laugh at my bad orthography or grammar but i get it, i get how it works, i function, that is what people want, musical aknowledgement of ideas, its the next best thing to telepathy, not some forum gatekeepers describing a dead corpse after the fact: music is a living language. modern classical music has failed to realize this, but Bach jammed. Don't ya'll noodle around ever? If you played 46 year of flamenco guitar you would probably be able to goof around decently also, right? you never mix-n-match or it's only holy reverence for what official other people did? I find it hard to believe that you think what was basically functional I IV V folk music and popular tunage filtered through the ghetto cultural lensing and only later was allowed to explore roots and connections publicly was somehow miraculously captured for all eternity by it's primary exponent in the jazz fusion world, who lamented his inability to improvize IN THE SAME MANNER as jazzians, but who nonetheless clearly ELABORATED and wove his thematic material throughout everything, as any composer does. How can you NOT? you can't always remember whether you alread did something and one has a tendency to do the same things, approach wise, at least. Welcome to being a human. Frozen in ice? No, live on video, and ideologically AN INSPIRATION AND MUSE, but Idol, never, and never confuse the finger pointing at the moon for the moon. Consider the palos, in their poor caves. Speaking of Plato, surely you learned folk have all read his "Respublica"? and his summary of the concept that a given people will be yoked to their art such as to reinforce the given primary emotions, such that sad national music makes for a sad povo, and martial national music makes for a warlike people, etc. Which palos currently are seen as expressing MORE FLAMENCO ideals or emotions than others? Which palos are interesting for you and which are not? Which ones elaborate functional harmonic structures and which ones do not? Which ones are currently popular and which ones were popular back when a certain OTHER person went to North American (USA & Mex) and toured with a certain famous dancer who wore mens trousers and danced mens dances like an iconoclast, even though all had to basically represent a national body of art in foreign lands, and generally be SPANISH, etc. Lot's of questions about any given countries waves of musical importation,particularly as it goes BOTH WAYS! Flamenco was contemporary music! Are palos de ida y vuelta not simply the pop music of the time filtered through a lens? What would a flamenco version of Despacito sound like? (just kidding, don't even attempt this as a thought exercise or thousands of chicken kittens will die at once) I'm not naive, I'm just trying to strip the braggadocio. I live in Portugal (speak Portuguese and some English.) and also speak Spanish. I attend concerts and encounter juergas etc as contextually appropo. I'm actually familiar with flamenco music since childhood, as my father is quite a fan, but I digress, as I am wont to. I can play a reasonably crap basic flamenco guitar and have no issues accompanying anyone but I think that aping a PDL solo is a bit of a recipe for skating my chin across the floor rather ungracefully, but I don't see that as a requirement for flamenco understanding, let alone being a legit guitar player that people like having accompany them. It's, shall we say, less flashy, but ultimately the core of the music, as in Rock the lead guitar bedroom guitar is not the core essence but rhythm guitar, bass, and drums are the essence that a vocalist needs, if anything they compete with lead guitar. I'm not primarily rock based, I like it as a "rock bottom lowest common denominator" metaphor in music, as that's the essence of "I had all the doodles in my noodle but i could caboodle the poodle when push came to shove circa drunken Spaniard Fandango 3am" but I'd probably flail worse so, no worries, I'd stall and ask if he meant "de ida y vuelta?" and just see what rhythm his gesticulating hand was moving at when he demanded this piece... and play a descending 4 3 2 1 with flat 9 LOL No but seriously, i do practice, i have no fear of work. Challenge my ideas not my audacity to propose them, lol. I play many musical instruments badly many hours a day! There are out-of-tune lousy players that are flamenco AF, but you will largely encounter this in Spain as that's where it makes cultural sense, like bluegrass music in USA. It's not about some technical dexterity nor how well you can play Eddie Van Halens "Eruption) I can play Eruption on a flamenco guitar pretty reasonably, and I intend to eventually integrate it into my sacriligeous medley I shall one day post "no es flamenca" well it wasn't part of the plan until now, but I've sorta backed myself into a corner, haven't I. Mind you, ridicule does not constitute an immanent critique...forewarned is forearmed and foreskinned er foreskint? my apologies if this sounds sexist and/or classist in the latter case.
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