Ruphus -> RE: Toros (Dec. 18 2017 7:45:09)
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To my understanding all good posts, other than Morante´s. Regarding the "righteous hate brigade" ... if it only were that easy. As I learned today me belongs to what is being named "flexitarian". People who have enough empathic skills to realize what their consumption of animal product is causing, yet have not brought themselves to entirely quit it. Actually, I did when about 3 or 4 years, after realizing that the wonderfully smelling dish had originally been a living chicken. It shocked me to understand that there would be a killing, and only just for meal (that day me realized first time what death is). Don´t know how long the renunciation lasted, but my old lady brought me to eating meat again a while later (obviously worried about my nutrion). With exception of sporadic festive events, me remained a small consumer. But am having about one egg daily, little of occasional butter and what I expect to be under 5 kg of meat, poultry and fish per year. In most years supposedly considerably less. (But I am due to schlepping about 30 kg of chicken waste per month for the dogs, since nearly 7 years now. -Foro pals will remember the sheltering of stray puppies. And my former single cats will have meant quite some amounts of animal protein consumption too.) Still, it doesn´t help with escaping remorse. It is kind of like say feeling for fellow humans while eating them. And it is why I am enthusiastically awaiting times of artificial meat (since the seventies actually, when first attempts were taken). The point being that a consequential thinking person cannot hide before himself and before basic principle. Only fools can. One should always be prepared to live through / endure the custom one accepts. Other than that would be indifference / perfidy. Or as the primary thought in my life: "What you would not like to be done to you, you should neither be doing to others". And "others" self-evidently including creatures that are of similar capability to humans with sensing pain and sorrow. Hence all higher developed beings on this planet. The western world in practice is still way lagging behind its intellectual achievements and civil state. There still is physical approach to conflict among people, and cruelty against fellow creature. There are billions of daily cases of animal torture behind apartment doors and those of sheds. Most constitutions still do not include animal rights. The least of countries request qualification for pet holding (let alone parenthood) and voluntary webcams in sheds are very scarce. And in our western breeding stations and slaughtering houses linger a number of torturing monsters that is not small at all. They cause needless horror to the creatures that exceeds our imagination. That are conditions in the western hemisphere still, which albeit has seen history of thinkers´ legacy of advocacy for association, deconstructive attitude and empathetic behavior. Still host of daily horror to billions of exposed creatures. Not to mention vast of Asian and African realm, where even the philosophy of consideration has not occurred, if not cruelty being considered as manly feature. Events like corrida, cock and dog fighting are the epitome of contra productivity with the matter of animal abuse. They legitimize the ogre being and push forward the legacy of the crude. Hemingway spoiled his progressive being with his unfeeling against fellow creature, and his literature has encouraged the preservation of archaism in the western world a great deal. Similar to Descartes. Such a bright mind and pioneer, and on the other hand the greatest disservice to fellow creature ever done in the western world. Being cold-blooded and dismissive is neither achievement of any kind nor cool in any way. It is simply just idiotic (in its literal sense) and perfidious. - Conclusion I detest indifferent amnesty for culture in ways promoted these day as PC. It is just as wrong like hegemony and chauvinism that were in place before. Culture, (including the own, no need to mention) needs to be sighted and dissected like any human behavior. And regardless of whether wrong doing was maintained since ancient times or popping up just recently, it must be considered as the act that it is, just as positive achievement would be ranked correspondingly. What makes a difference between human and animals is not what the academies postulated as makeshift until just years ago. Unlike formerly claimed, the difference is not with ability to play, to think, to anticipate, to feel, or to be having self-awareness. These capabilities can all be found in the animal world as well. What makes the difference with humans is the ability to distinguish between deeming (subjectivity) and entity (objectivity), and to prior the latter. It means that you can´t just set your (comforting) estimation as to how an object might be or not be sensing your dealings with it, and be done with it. It means your obligation to sincerely ensure for no needless harm to be coming from you. - Did you know that dog´s perceivement of temperatures varies a great deal? Right, the average specimen feels alright between +5° and +25° C. But many are much more sensible to the cold (and heat), and some just as sensible like humans. Can you imagine what only just this unknown circumstance means to billions of yard dogs? They are freezing their butts of just like we would, either in the open or in ridiculous dog houses that do not isolate a freaking single grade. Hour after hours, day after day, night after night, all winter season through. Regular unintentional torture across the globe (regarding owners who´d care at all to start with). Same goes for summer heat. Our deeming that the dogs (for an example) be alright as is though, won´t help them a bit. Not for an hour, a day or a season. It only helps us and our self-comforting indifference. Which again is worth no actual dime to dependents. To the opposite.
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