Ricardo -> RE: Cultural Flamenco Questions Thread (Nov. 10 2013 13:39:32)
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ORIGINAL: Bulerias2005 quote:
ORIGINAL: gmburns Dubious and probably futile attempt and trying to look smart: Cante jondo (grande?): seguiriyas, soleares, bulerias, cana, martinete, etc. Cante grande (intermedio?): malaguenas, mineras, tarantas, tientos (? = levantes = fandangos?) Cante chico: alegrias, boleras, bulerias (?), fandangos (?), nanas, rodena, sevillanas, tangos, etc. fandangos, sevillanas, rumbas (where do rumbas fit above?) may or may not be flamenco depending on where you sit. Solea and Seguiriya seem to be the "pure" forms of flamenco. Fandangos is definitely not cante chico. It's considered to be one of the pillars of flamenco, along with soleares and siguiriyas. Fandangos is actually the basis for malaguenas (fandangos de malaga), tarantas, etc... I tried to be clear. The fandangos from huelva are not cante jondo...in fact some dont' consider them flamenco. Or rather there are musicians and singers that are NOT flamencos that only do fandango from huelva. The free or freer form derivatives of the original form from huelva WERE created by and ARE interpreted by flamencos. To sound important many great singers call those "fandango grande". Estela always points out they dont' use that term anymore and call them "naturales". Clearly, the personalized versions of fandango, and fandango de huelva, are kept separate from what is considered "cante jondo" which are tona, martinete, siguiriyas, Romances (precursor to solea), Solea, tientos (4/4 derivative of solea). Because Cantiñas are happy, they and the up tempo off shoots of solea family (buleria, alegria, tango etc) are called "chico". Of course they can be delivered very heavy duty if need be by maestros, so these are generalizations. The malagueña derivatives however, unlike the fandango derivatives, are considered serious cante, but NOT cante jondo either. IMO the letras of all the cantes de la mina songs and Malagueñas etc, can be just as devastating as siguiriyas or solea. But the melodies are "prettier" so I think that is why aficionados generalize. Again, I dont' consider this cante grande chico or jondo thing very important either, rather the MUSCAL form and structure is. Ricardo
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