Ruphus -> RE: American Freedom? (Dec. 4 2012 10:28:22)
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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH quote:
quote: And the very same systematic looting throughout the ending Eastern Block: All that instituting and supporting of skim by the very legislatures that your so genuine corps was at backing up without the slightest of objection ( a clearing very consciously observed by me, particularly with the utterly arrant ripping off in East Germany ) ... Will that historically unique robbing all have been to you: # Hogwash that never occured? # Unpredictable? # Coincidence? # Crime defied by humane liberators from White House, but inevitable still? Ruphus, I am not going to engage in a discussion that deteriorates into posing multiple-choice questions. To do so causes the discussion to descend from a real exchange of ideas into the farce of a grammar school quiz. Cheers, Bill Hello Bill, It should be obvious enough that you are not bound to reply in multiple choice manner. I only listed some hypothetical variations of what you might have been thinking, to explain what my actual wondering is. Maybe your idea and perception was something completely else, with me still honestly interested in hearing what it may have looked like. But in the way it looks so far, you seem simply reluctant to answer, as it could either illuminate the inconsitency of composed opinion or even the willful agenda behind an unfairness-skipping perception. quote:
ORIGINAL: mezzo This must be an U.S. spectrum analyser, if you look at it with the E.U. spectrum (latin side) then the cursor might stop to the moderate area or barely to the center. It would hardly lean left imo. It must be considered where Bill considers moderate to reside, which ought to roughly be where Reagan or Thatcher would had nudged it. Just look at all the crime that he considers void or justified. quote:
ORIGINAL: Miguel de Maria That being said, capitalism seems to be the engine that is mindlessly hurtling our species toward the imminent depletion of vital, nonrenewable resources, not to mention extinction . I have no emotional allegiance toward capitalism, and if viable alternatives exist, I am all ears. Be embraced, brother in mind. There always exists alternative to the worst of options. - Only time enough won´t always be. quote:
ORIGINAL: estebanana In the USSR there was one kind of toilet paper and you had to wait in line to buy it, in the US today there are thirty kinds of toilet paper, but the consumer wants the one that is bleached and causes more environmental damage. But as soon as you regulate the toilet paper industry to use more environmentally supportive manufacturing someone will call you a communist. That is American Freedom. Free to buy bleached toilet paper and not stand in line. [:D] [:D] Yeah, "communist"; of the worst abusive words the Ammerican language has. All that while there will exist hardly any other nation that would be less informed on what the term actually deals with. Eventhough there have been other weird examples, like where I am now. As I have been told the local clerus would splice the term "communist" into three syllabels of which one would give a meaning in Arab language and another one in the local speech. Out would come "god ain´t" and with that the ogress per se. Imagine how millions would believe the bunkum who had not even heard of the name "Marx". How I remember the times of Cold War and how hard-working demagoges had turned terms like "communist" and "Russian" into the epitome of evil to the vast majority in the western world. Really, there would splash sort of satanic waves through crowded rooms if you used any of these terms. As if you had just revealed to be an AIDS infected pederast working in a kindergarden or so. My brother was the largest in western trade with the USSR in the seventies / eighties. He and his western business friends showed guts like ox to dare. And you may imagine what the CIA wouldn´t try just to defunct him. They had him followed permanently wherever he went, and he was travelling internationally all the time. He became the first case of the CIA losing before court in the US. And he was apparently poisioned with a product from Biopreparat while Bill´s "liberating" friends where clearing off the Russian state gold stock, but that is another story. ( That we will not be reading about in historical books that soon I guess.) But what we may be reading of some decades in the future could be investigations of how the unwinding of the Eastern Block washed Trillions of bucks into private western accounts. And some oh so honorable liberators and their shadows of the late eighties will probably be blown the cover of as the ordinary and shabby skimmers they have been. Only that those sirs at that time will likely all have passed already. Free World my ass. - And "American Freedom" like what: Orange pickers, McCarthy, Patriotic Act? You are right: Neutral history is a very contemporary phenomenon. Over the millenias before the subject was dependent to power. A very popular example being the one of Marathon which the ancient Greeks blew up to their glory. Modern history will now gradually be shifting the cradle of democracy and pragmatism to the Orient. Even if it remains clear that the newborn achievements were suffocated too soon to have a career there. Ruphus
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