XXX -> RE: Economical Crisis in Spanish Luthiers (Jun. 21 2012 22:11:37)
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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH Hello, Ruphus. Welcome to the 21st century. To read your (and Deniz's) comments on capitalism, private enterprise, and the free market, one would think you guys are still living in the year 1848, when Marx's observations had some validity. Capitalism, however, developed in a way that Marx never imagined, and most of us, including those of us who do not lead (as Deniz states) an "extremely luxurious life," are better off as a result. I know this fact will not register with you guys, as you drink your ideological Kool Aid, but there it is. I will not comment this as it is yet again a silly comparison (as if any of us existed in 1848..), besides that a jumping into another topic which prevents any progress in the discussion and the usual trash talk ending. As far as my question above to you, it is still active. Considering the time i have put into this thread, i want to make sure im not talking with somebody who has no knowledge, and is only pretending it to have. I hope you understand. So again, what are those inner contradictions of capitalism and communism you have heard of? Ricardo, you are basically saying one should accept any **** that is surrounding one and needs to cope with what other people have set up for oneself as "life" (whether its fair or not depends on some things, dont you think?). Ill tell you what: people have a responsibility not only for themselves but the society in which they are living in, as they are a part of it and empowering it. As for the reaction to the 100 Euros, that would totally depend on in what kind of society I would live and what role money has in that society, and whether it exists at all in the first place (in which case it would be just a piece of paper, yielding no reaction from my side). About the greedy vs generous that was not my point, never said that, but we have passed the point to make any clarifications i think. And you all need to stop using history as an argument. It doesnt prove anything right or wrong. If there is a critical mass of people with a specific political aim and enough means to make it "reality" then it just happens. This doesnt tell anything whether the specific political aim is a true statement about anything in this world or if its just a fanatic political program. Each human behaviour has its defined purposes and along those you can assume certain actions that are able to fulfill these purposes, but that doesnt mean you can PREDICT human behaviour at all, because humans have different opinions (right and wrong ones) about how to do that and they can simply DECIDE to do an action you even KNOW of it is the wrong one.
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