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xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 3:25:02)

the original is around 176-178 bpm...tough...



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 3:26:15)

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160 bpm is a good fitting leisure speed.. so, could somebody provide a loop we can use?


How is this Alegrias 161 bpm ?



Ailsa -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 3:30:03)

Yes please - I vote for Arash to be a judge! [:)]



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 3:31:53)

I vote takitaka unless he wants to take part



Doitsujin -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 4:12:39)

Ok Arash I sign you up for judging!

By the way, as I practice the composition at the moment,..160bpm feels to slow for la ardila. Should we increase the speed a bit to the original speed? Lets say 170 and above how you like..?

160 bpm seems to be no big challenge.. :./
But if the majority prefer 160bpm, I accept.


Throw a look on the first post of this threat. Im updating the lists of the participants and judges when there are news.



xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 4:29:01)

we could also use the solo compás soleá por bulerías bpm 168...
there is one at 180, but that'd be brutal :)



Doitsujin -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 4:38:42)

When thinking twice about the speed. I think 160 should be ok. If someone plays it at higher speed and still manage to play it smoothly... he should get some "general" extra points on technic. But... well.. maybe not necessary.



Pimientito -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 10:11:46)

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160 bpm seems to be no big challenge.. :./


I seriously hope you are joking.
I've just been through this tab today and I dont care what the rest of you guys do...I'm doing at around 160 bpm (and thats going to be challenge enough for me)[8|]



Ron.M -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 10:36:07)

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Throw a look on the first post of this threat.


Doit,

That sounds like something from the Mafia....

I keep telling you man....the word is thread

You're gonna end up in jail one day over this spelling mistake...[:D]

cheers,

Ron



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 10:38:53)

LoL i love it [:D] my spelling brother [;)]



Doitsujin -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 10:44:18)

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Doit,

That sounds like something from the Mafia....

I keep telling you man....the word is thread

You're gonna end up in jail one day over this spelling mistake...


Oh!![&:][&:] I tried to avoid this mistake... [&o][&o] Its a continous challenge for me.. :./ But I got it now!



Arash -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 10:44:59)

I vote for Deniz to be one of the judges (if he wants). He is competent.



Ricardo -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 10:45:51)

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ORIGINAL: Doitsujin

Ok Arash I sign you up for judging!

By the way, as I practice the composition at the moment,..160bpm feels to slow for la ardila. Should we increase the speed a bit to the original speed? Lets say 170 and above how you like..?

160 bpm seems to be no big challenge.. :./
But if the majority prefer 160bpm, I accept.


Throw a look on the first post of this threat. Im updating the lists of the participants and judges when there are news.


I said that earlier....160 is too slow for me anyway, to project the right feeling....at least for this tune....as you said. Do we have to use a loop? cant we just use live palmas or foot tap? Or does that affect anonimity? how about two loops, one at 160 and the other at 170? Or no loop at all?

Ricardo



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 10:49:40)

just make 160 the minimum and allow members to go as high as they like...provide a couple of oficcial different loops at different speeds ...i can help with that if you dont have it....

i got 161 i can also speed this up to about 165

and i have 172


they are all the same as eachother...none are fancyer, come from the same cd...just different speeds


that way people can go as high as they like with still a minimum requirement



Doitsujin -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 10:56:12)

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how about two loops, one at 160 and the other at 170? Or no loop at all?


Thats a very good idea. We will use two loops in the end. One at 160bpm and one at 170bpm. Florian, could you upload them? We check them out and if they are good I´ll put them in the first thread.

Live palmas would be the best also for me. IMO loops are often in much better quality than the actual playing.. and a bit boring.

Ok,.. we have to decide rapidly and don't discuss it to the ground.
I say, in order to stay anonymous, we only use the two loops which we have to upload in the first thread. Live palmas would be much better '( I would also prefer it) but not everybody has friends who can clap in compas... It wouldn't be fair IMO.

Last but not least: Welcome c for joining the challenge!



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 10:58:29)

ok il upload 3 loops


one at 161

one at about 165

and one at 171

check where i uploaded at 161...that is the loop..let me know if it suits before i spend all the time uploading

here it is, they are all exactly the same as this one, same accents, palmas and cajon just diff speeds.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/upfiles/36/Wu60183.mp3



Rain -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 11:26:19)

You can count me in as well. How well I can play it I don't know but I know the journey will be a rewarding and educational. Good luck to all that are in.

If someone can email me the tab I would greatly appreciate it.



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 11:29:44)

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You can count me in as well


OLE ...thats the spirit amigo [;)] welcome


i am sure Doit will see this or pm him with your email to get it straight away



Doitsujin -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 11:31:35)

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here it is, they are all exactly the same as this one, same accents, palmas and cajon just diff speeds.


This loop is great! I think we use it! Host the loops somewhere, than I include the links in the initial post. Thank you Florian!


And welcome Rain!



Ron.M -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 11:32:23)

Doit,
Even if it is "anonymised"....do you think you and Ricardo and Florian will be able to recognize your own playing?

What marks will you award yourselves?

Or will you just be "neutral" and "fair" and "without bias", like when we have our own "internal enquiries" held by the Government, the Police and others here in the UK? [:D]


cheers,

Ron



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 11:34:45)

i cant upload anything past 1.60 mbs here cause of my speed but i think i can email about 3 mbs files...so i will email em to you]


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Or will you just be "neutral" and "fair" and "without bias", like when we have our own "internal enquiries" held by the Government, the Police and others here in the UK?


no no we must insure to remain fair[:D]...its good for me..i save time..i allready know my competition's score from me and my own


serious dont make me judge...i will give you all the worst scores to help myself...i am not even really joking about that [:D]



Doitsujin -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 11:40:03)

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Doit,
Even if it is "anonymised"....do you think you and Ricardo and Florian will be able to recognize your own playing?

What marks will you award yourselves?

Or will you just be "neutral" and "fair" and "without bias", like when we have our own "internal enquiries" held by the Government, the Police and others here in the UK?


We thought about the judging problem. Ailsa will get all mp3 with names. She will write a list and replace the names of the mp3s with serial-numbers. Than the judges will get the mp3s from her (together win an excell matrix for the points! (The matrix was a joke.. but I love stats and the judging should not be anonymous.

Well.. so we cant judge if we participate. Ron, please do us a biiig favor and be a judge! Please I´m on my knees in front of you![&o]



Ron.M -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 11:50:15)

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Well.. so we cant judge if we participate. Ron, please do us a biiig favor and be a judge! Please I´m on my knees in front of you!


Sure, Doit,
Thanks. I'll try to be fair.
But I thought I better be honest and admit I'm open to bribes. [:D]


Another way of doing it AND to keep all your valuable assessment skills as judges is for Ailsa to award a standard 5,5,5 for each judge/competitor and to disallow any judge's votes for themselves.

cheers,

Ron



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 11:52:09)

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We thought about the judging problem. Ailsa will get all mp3 with names. She will write a list and replace the names of the mp3s with serial-numbers


We [8|]?...what are you ?...taking credit for my ideas now ?[&:]...i am only joking[:D][:D][:D]...[8|]but serious you nothing without me[8|]..a monkey could do your job...Seriously


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Rain -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 11:57:34)

Thanx Flo and Doit thanx for the PM.

Ron, I appreciate your honesty



Doitsujin -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 12:05:32)

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We ...what are you ?...taking credit for my ideas now ? ...i am only joking...but serious you nothing without me


(EDIT: I see us as a team. I mean everybody who writes something here to improve the challenge and everybody who is helping. So,,. its not important whos ideas were used anywhere. Its a joint venture of the forumpeople.)

eeeh.. so many mails the last 2 days... I´m confused who wrote what..
Yes Florian is giving me continously much very good ideas. Im really thankful for that. Ailsa wrote me a PM with the idea with the numbers. The whole challenge idea and to do the judging anonymously came from Florian. I only try to do waht they are telling me.. [;)]

Thank you Ron for judging. Would you take the telephonenumer and picture from the hot lady who I wrote about as bribe? lol ... The one who made me practicing like hell?



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 12:30:33)

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eeeh.. so many mails the last 2 days... I´m confused who wrote what.


hmm ..i dont know..maybe you read it in another challenge thread and thought it was yours [:D]..i once composed a catchy rumba and then after i realised it was Rio Ancho.


i am only having fun with you man please dont take me seriously [:D][:D].i dont care about that kind of stuff......but it was my idea[8|]



Doitsujin -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 13:20:50)

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hmm ..i dont know..maybe you read it in another challenge thread and thought it was yours ..i once composed a catchy rumba and then after i realised it was Rio Ancho.


Hahahha... [:D]

quote:

..a monkey could do your job...Seriously
lol Well,.. better than an eggless monkey. [;)][:D]



Doitsujin -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 13:37:18)

Ok thank you Florian for the two loops!

I added a download link in the initial post of this thread. If there are any problems downloading them or using them. Please contact me!



Arash -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 14 2009 15:47:14)

I just want to mention one point and make one suggestion about the quality of the Audio to all participants in advance and maybe Doisujin should mention it also in the first post.

TRY to record your Audio with the best possible equipment you get.

If you only have a 10 Dollar PC Mic, then try to borrow a good Mic from a Friend or something to record your final Audio.

Because the quality of the Audio unconsciously and unintentionally MIGHT affect the judging (even if some Judges do their best to imagine how good a bad recording would sound with a good recording equipment and Vice Versa).

I am not sure if all Judges will be able to distinguish these things and not be overly influenced by the quality of the Audio.

Some members mentioned in the past that the quality is not important, which is not true imo if you are really honest.

Of course, regarding compas for example it would not make a difference but in some other aspects like the sound you get out of your guitar or Rasgueso etc., it MIGHT influence your judging unwantedly.

Another possibility would be that EVERYONE records with a cheap PC Mic or the Camera Mic!

It is up to Doitsujin to decide if this is important or not of course. But think about it sincerely!



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