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Arash -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 16 2009 11:35:54)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron.M

I'm actually raking around to see if I have any fuses left in case the lights go out again...[:D]


cheers,

Ron


Ahh,,,dont make us feel insecure Ron.

Even in a worst case scenario where this place should be burned to the ground, I still have our www.foroflamenco.es weekend cottage where we could go, burn some candles and have a fresh start.

So, no need to hold back your fire guys.
Feel free to turn off the lights and raze this place to the ground.


[:D][:D]



Ron.M -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 16 2009 11:47:43)

Thanks Arash, but I can sort of feel a storm gathering, having been there before.

Well, I can't really think of anything much to say tonight, so I'll leave y'all with a YouTube vid that never fails to make me laugh...




cheers,

Ron



Arash -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 16 2009 11:50:36)

[:D][:D][:D]



Doitsujin -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 16 2009 12:54:51)

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Original: Arash


Thats a great tangos! Thats the proof that flamenco works in other lenguages than spanish, too. And the lady was hot... huh.

I actually thought about posting a link to my youtube account here that you can get a slight impression about who you are challenging. [;)]
But you are right Arash! I´ll be silent till the end of the challenge. I just don't want to scare the **** out of the other challengers ..Muhahaha[8|]
Ok, without jokes. I checked my old recordings. They start from 2004 or5 and in every mp3 or clip myplaying sounds very different.. My skills increase continously and I owned more than 2 different guitars each year.. Nobody could identify me even if one would know my recordings. ^^Damn,.. I had a conde estudio in 2005. It had great sound. (But ****ty settings...)

But I also have not much time to practice. I only practice at the weekend at the moment. [:(]

Todd I read your post now. Im happy you are in and sad that we loose an important judge.... If you really think, you are not ready with the right hand till the end of the challenge, I please you to be a judge and upload the mp3 beside of the challenge. We all know that you are a fantastic player.
I´ll put you to the challengers in the initial post for now. [;)]



XXX -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 16 2009 13:54:20)

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ORIGINAL: Arash

Deniz is also no problem. Just learn this falseta:





Hehe. Too bad the moderator of the show couldnt hold herself back with the palmas (1:48)



Arash -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 16 2009 14:23:47)

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ORIGINAL: Doitsujin

I actually thought about posting a link to my youtube account here that you can get a slight impression about who you are challenging. [;)] But you are right Arash! I´ll be silent till the end of the challenge. I just don't want to scare the **** out of the other challengers ..Muhahaha[8|]



Haha, i just searched few minutes in the Upload section to find something from you, but you seam to be like the MI6 Agent in Mission Impossible whenever he gets a new mission........and seam to delete everything after few minutes to cover your track [:D]

But acc. to the comments in this old thread for example, it seams like you are a badas$ player. I mean, even Todd was impressed (and thats quite unusual [:D] )

And this was in 2006.....so you had another 3 years time to practice

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=38834&p=7&mpage=1&tmode=2&smode=1


Hmm........this challenge is gonne be fun both for challengers and judges!



Mark2 -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 16 2009 16:51:55)

Man this challenge has everything-contestants, judges, prizes. Only one thing missing and that is incentive for the bystanders.

I offer my services as the advanced challenge oddsmaker. That's right, we set up a paypal account and once the field is finalized, we can determine the odds. No betting on anyone but yourself for the participants-we don't want anyone to throw the match for financial gain. :-)

The early line shows Ricardo with a slight advantage, however, Doit clearly has home field advantage given his suggestion of the piece. Flo has awakened a sleeping giant however, and it would be foolish to overlook ToddK with or without his trusty pick.

And of course dark horse candidates are certainly able to swoop in under the radar and dance off with the prize. And there is always the possibility of a late entry by a certain monster from the east known by the moniker "big G"

So, we have a real horse race, complete with all the thrills and spills, hopes and glory, of a Kentucky derby. May the best horse, er, picado, I mean, player, win.




[:D]



cathulu -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 16 2009 20:16:34)

Bloody Luton - that is my wife's former team! That Stavros guy sounds like a mix of Rowan Atkinson, the Chopper and I don't know who else! What a strange psuedo accent he has! [:D]



Ron.M -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 17 2009 0:29:16)

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And there is always the possibility of a late entry by a certain monster from the east known by the moniker "big G"


Also "Calioglu" (I think that's how you spell it...the Turkish guy).

Over the last few years, so many fantastic players have crept out of the woodwork that it makes you wonder just who is actually out there!

cheers,

Ron



at_leo_87 -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 17 2009 1:07:18)

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Hehe. Too bad the moderator of the show couldnt hold herself back with the palmas (1:48)


god! look at all those noobs clapping! [:D]

quote:


And this was in 2006.....so you had another 3 years time to practice

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=38834&p=7&mpage=1&tmode=2&smode=1


it seems he managed to delete that one too!

i youtubed doitsujin and got this:

that dude totally won over those japanese girls

doitsujin, would you mind uploading something quick?
all this talk got me curious to how well you play[sm=Smiley Guitar.gif]



Ailsa -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread - more judges? (Feb. 17 2009 1:27:13)

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Callioglu


Yes he is a brilliant player - I still have some of his stuff on my mp3 player, downloaded from his website. Haven't seen him on the Foro for a few months tho.

Now that ToddK has deserted the judging panel for the competition we have 7 left - all excellent, but perhaps we should recruit a few more? Here are some suggestions for people who have a good ear and I think would make good judges:

koella
Estevan
romerito
rombsix
mrMagenta
Matic
guitarbuddha
Jim Opfer
hemeolaman
flamencoguru
Conrad

Would any of you guys like to volunteer?



henrym3483 -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread - more judges? (Feb. 17 2009 4:06:19)

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I'm not.

I'm actually raking around to see if I have any fuses left in case the lights go out again...


cheers,

Ron


don't worry ron, ive got em well stocked up [:D]



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Doitsujin -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 17 2009 8:04:18)

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But acc. to the comments in this old thread for example, it seams like you are a badas$ player. I mean, even Todd was impressed (and thats quite unusual )

And this was in 2006.....so you had another 3 years time to practice


You know,..here are nice people who all appreciate uploads by other members. In the meanwhile there were some uploads by several members including Ricardo, who definitely topped that three or four times. I had this Paco Guitar when I recorded this video. I was so unhappy with it, that I didn't play much around a year... [&o]

Hey I deleted nothing! Rapidshare deletes automatically after a while of inactivity.. Or I have a look for some old recordings..



flamencoguru -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 23 2009 18:51:55)

Holy Cow!! What is all of this challenging stuff??? Sorry guys, I fell off of the planet for a little while. I've been pretty busy spearfishing!! I figure if I can't play guitar like Paco, I may be able to fish better than him MUHAHAHAHA!!!! Anyways, I'm trying fill myself in with this challenge. Let me see if I get it right:

The piece is La Ardila by Tomatito, right? How much of the piece does one have to play? I'm assuming everyones welcome to play, correct?

Let me know. I may be interested to participate. For me it would just be for fun!! I'm completely against musical contests. Just my 2 cents. I just want to hear how many different interpretations there will be.

Un saludo, Errol



duende -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 23 2009 21:57:42)

check this out


http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=101364&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=



John O. -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 23 2009 22:36:37)

I definitely wouldn't want to say this piece is easy, but easier than you'd think when you listen to it. Errol you've posted more difficult stuff than this, welcome aboard! [:)]

I have the first half up to 160bpm now and am trying to get it up a bit more, still kind of shakey at 170 though. Some of the thumbwork is really a challenge.



NormanKliman -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread - more judges? (Feb. 23 2009 23:51:50)

Ailsa and Ron, I've only just seen your messages from a few days ago asking me to be a judge. As I mentioned the other day, I can't know ahead of time if I'm going to be free; that's just the nature of my job. As it is, I might have to back out of judging the beginners' competition, so it'd be better not to count on me for these things. But thanks for considering me, and I have to say that what you're all doing is really, really cool! Some hilarious posts, too, from all of you, although I haven't had much time lately to read them all. Good luck!!!



Matic -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 28 2009 9:41:29)

quote:

Now that ToddK has deserted the judging panel for the competition we have 7 left - all excellent, but perhaps we should recruit a few more? Here are some suggestions for people who have a good ear and I think would make good judges:

koella
Estevan
romerito
rombsix
mrMagenta
Matic
guitarbuddha
Jim Opfer
hemeolaman
flamencoguru
Conrad

Would any of you guys like to volunteer?


Hey Ailsa, thanks for suggesting me, but IMO the judges should be experienced
and with some real background for it to be at least a bit objective at the end. I
don't think I qualify, at least not for the judge of the advanced players! Don't
you think so?

Ricardo (and Doit if I remember?) even suggested I should join the advanced
challenge. Honestly, I think I'll be good in the intermediate for now. But if we
were talking about an 'advanced falseta' here, I would join. From my
perspective learning Tomate's WHOLE PIECE seems pointless. I would choose a
nice challenging falseta that everyone could still use it anytime. Not to mention
judging would be easier this way... But that's for the next time maybe, people are
already learning La Ardila! Good luck!!

Matic
[:)]



Arash -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Feb. 28 2009 10:05:31)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Matic


Hey Ailsa, thanks for suggesting me, but IMO the judges should be experienced
and with some real background for it to be at least a bit objective at the end. I
don't think I qualify, at least not for the judge of the advanced players! Don't
you think so?



I dont agree.
I think there can be a huge difference in theory, ear, ability of judging others and such things, and the actual level you or me personally are able to play. Take me for instance, i am not able to play this piece properly, i would say i am intermediate,,,,,,but i am sure that i am able to be a good and objective judge even for much better players than me. And i am sure that you can be a good judge too.
You dont have to be a pro. player in order to be able a good judge for advanced players.
I can even see weak points of Paco sometimes LOL

Ok, maybe if you are beginner with no experience, you should not judge an advanced challenge, but not in our case.
So join in!!



marrow3 -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Mar. 9 2009 12:39:13)

Hi all, I am new to this forum. Could I join this challenge?
cheers,
Richard



kozz -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Mar. 10 2009 9:34:20)

...huh, SQL error...ok, here again

Hello Masters of the Advanced Challenge, I have a little question.
I am participating in the, beginners challenge, a solea from Graf Martinez.
Very nice, and indeed a challenge, but the original sound example from Martinez makes me a little bit nerveous, and I don't seem to get the mood for those falsetas.

So my question is: Is there someone who can play these falsetas and have it placed somewhere here on the forum? That would be really nice (and a good warm-up excercise for you guys [8|]
It should only take 1:30 of your precious time [:D]

Thanks!



Doitsujin -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Mar. 11 2009 11:50:26)

quote:

Hi all, I am new to this forum. Could I join this challenge?
cheers,
Richard


You are welcome marrow3 and thanks for your PM. Did you get mine?

Make sure that you read the rules carefully.
See here: http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=101364&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=

But I guess, you already know all..

So, I sign you up.

quote:


original: Matic
]Ricardo (and Doit if I remember?) even suggested I should join the advanced
challenge. Honestly, I think I'll be good in the intermediate for now. But if we
were talking about an 'advanced falseta' here, I would join. From my
perspective learning Tomate's WHOLE PIECE seems pointless. I would choose a
nice challenging falseta that everyone could still use it anytime. Not to mention
judging would be easier this way... But that's for the next time maybe, people are
already learning La Ardila! Good luck!!


^^ Well than. You can be the special guest who could heat up the time before getting the points for the challengers. If you want, send me your audio within the deadline of the challenge. We´ll upload 1-2 days before the uploads of the complete composition. I would be very interested in that. ;.) If you play the whole piece, I sign you up. You have nothing to loose, as the idea is "practice and get better".



marrow3 -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Mar. 12 2009 9:46:38)

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You are welcome marrow3 and thanks for your PM. Did you get mine?

Make sure that you read the rules carefully.
See here: http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=101364&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=


Hi,

thanks, I checked the rules again. 164 bpm will be a challenge definitely but I will see what can be achieved. Indeed, I have nosed around the forum looking at other challengers' videos, I am impressed.

quote:


Well than. You can be the special guest who could heat up the time before getting the points for the challengers. If you want, send me your audio within the deadline of the challenge. We´ll upload 1-2 days before the uploads of the complete composition. I would be very interested in that. ;.) If you play the whole piece, I sign you up. You have nothing to loose, as the idea is "practice and get better"


I'm not 100% sure what you mean here. If I can play through the piece that's a great for me, and I don't mind being on the side lines. It is, I guess, valuable to compare my own progress with other people's rather than all out competion.

thanks,
Richard



Doitsujin -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Mar. 12 2009 9:55:44)

quote:

I'm not 100% sure what you mean here. If I can play through the piece that's a great for me, and I don't mind being on the side lines. It is, I guess, valuable to compare my own progress with other people's rather than all out competion.


I answered to Matic 2 posts above yours....
Marrow, you are in for the complete composition as the rest of us. ;.)



marrow3 -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Mar. 12 2009 9:58:57)

quote:

I answered to Matic 2 posts above yours....
Marrow, you are in for the complete composition as the rest of us. ;.)


that makes sense



Doitsujin -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Mar. 20 2009 14:22:24)

I´m happy to tell you all that we have one more judge! JasonMcGuire!
Oley! Thank you Jason for helping us!!

And a second good news. We have one more participant! Edgar! Welcome on board!

Ok, participants. You still have 2 month left for practicing and recoding. Still a lot of time.

I don´t know how far you came till now, but I would say, till the middle of april you should be able to play the whole piece savely in compas at slow speed. Lets say 140bpm.

I hope you are on a good way for playing through the alegria at the required minimum of 164bpm. Remember, you have to use one of the two provided loops with no slowdown. If you still didnt start learning it, now its the time to start. Don´t be lazy and go for it! Give all and you will get skills which are for sure useful for any things you play after the challenge. Just use the chance!

Stay (or get) in shape and good luck! [;)]



edgar884 -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Mar. 20 2009 17:55:43)

i JUST LEARNED THE FIRST PAGE OHHH MAN THIS IS GONNA KICK MY BUT.[:D]



rombsix -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread - more judges? (Mar. 21 2009 5:26:45)

Hey Ailsa,

I'm flattered you think I am fit enough to be a judge on the Advanced Challenge. However, I am afraid I'm going to be SWAMPED at the time of judging and will have absolutely no time whatsoever (because that is when I have all of my final exams).

I am surely NOT going to even participate in the challenge. I might have a go at Jason McGuire's challenge considering it is only a single falseta (and thus may be feasible time-wise).

Thanks again, and see you around! [:)]



edgar884 -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Apr. 4 2009 6:09:19)

Wow, you guys are crazy I just read the whole thread finaly.

I'm having so much fun learning this, but one problem got to the 5th page and it is different from the Vid, I want to play it, so does anyone have the tab or do I got to slow it down and try to figure it out.

Any body else have this problem. [:D]



Ricardo -> RE: Challenge, Advanced Thread (Apr. 5 2009 7:45:25)

for folks using Faucher's transcription from the Tomatito book, that very LAST page has the variations very close to what he plays for the 2nd falseta, as seen on video. What is missing is all the choral variations he does in the video in between the 1st and second falseta.

Ricardo



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