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Ron.M

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Jason Webster Book??? 

I came across this article which is very interesting!
It's suggesting that Jason Webster has actually written about events from Rafael's life!


http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/news/story.jsp?story=528716

In case you are wondering, Rafael was born and brought up in Spain (Cordoba & Madrid) He has dual nationality, since his father is British (Welsh actually).
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Escribano

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Ron.M

Surprise, surprise. I heard the rumour a while ago from a reliable source, particularly of the Madrid adventure.

Last October I said:

quote:

I am not convinced this guy actually learnt to accompany in two years, or that half of what he describes happened outside of his head - but an enjoyable read, nonetheless.


Quite annoying actually, because I didn't think it was that well written but there you go, at least he finished a book

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Ron.M

Si Flamenco de bacalao
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Kate

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Ron.M

I have now been bought this book three times by well meaning people. This article does not suprise me at all. The PdL anecdote, about him pissing behind a tree before his concert in the Generaliffe is a regular " a friend of a friend ' story I have heard many times, an urban myth that does the rounds. However knowing the concert organisers and arrangements for Paco's comfort during that concert, and the security, I suggest that Paco would have had no deisre or need to have to find a tree to pee on. I had stopped believing the story by the time he got to madrid and on reaching Granada I think he had lost the plot entirely.

Thanks for posting that Ron, it confirms a lot.

Kate

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 6 2004 14:06:18
 
Escribano

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Kate

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by the time he got to madrid and on reaching Granada I think he had lost the plot entirely


Though I can confirm that the Plaza Nueva is crawling with drug-dealing priests.

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Kate

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Escribano

LOL yes that bit was just bizarre. We all know its the nuns with the bad habits.

Kate

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Ron.M

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Kate

Kate,
I thought I'd give Rafael a phone call to see how he was, since I hadn't spoken to him for maybe a year now.
It seems he'd only just read the book.
He's pretty pissed off, I'll say!
He used to work and hang around with the Gitanos a lot when he was playing in Spain and when I was in Oxford a couple of years ago, he even told me some funny stories and adventures he had.
He said he's emailed Paco about the pissing behind the bushes bit, and reckons Paco's not going to be too pleased about that when he finds out.
I said "Why? There's nothing too bad about that surely?"
He said "Of course there is... It's offending the man's dignity..."

So there you go...there may be some trouble brewing up!

LOL!

Ron
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Jim Opfer

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Ron.M

Interesting post Ron.
That's the worst thing about teaching, you never know who walks in nor why!

Cheers
Jim.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 6 2004 17:35:59
 
Escribano

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Ron.M

Now that would make a better story, go write a best seller about flamenco and piss off PDL into the bargain If it is false, he may face the threat of a law suit for a retraction.

Once the English press pick up on that, Webster and his editorial value could nose dive.

It's very dangerous to mention names of living people in fiction. I am surprised his publisher let it through.

We should follow this story.

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Ron.M

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Escribano

At firstI was thinking Rafael was getting a bit too upset about the whole thing, but now I've had time to think about it, I think Kate & Harold would be a bit upset if someone they knew wrote a best selling book (with prospects of a film), in the first person telling the story about how he used to record George Harrison and early British legends etc, then one day met this lady and together they moved to Spain and built a recording studio and formed a group from the local poor young Gypsy kids and did concerts in America etc.
Kinda like somebody stealing your life.....weird!
But I've only heard Rafa's view...so I don't know the facts.
In fact I've never even read the book!
I've heard an edited reading of it on BBC Radio 4.
Kate...can you send me one of your copies? LOL!

Ron
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Escribano

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

Kinda like somebody stealing your life.....


Allegedly

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Escribano

quote:

Though I can confirm that the Plaza Nueva is crawling with drug-dealing priests.
Yeh I heard they had bad habits
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Kate

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Ron.M

I know what you mean. Although we didn't actually form the young band you mentioned ( they were formed out of a social cultural project) we certainly recorded them and I promoted , organised and financed the tour of America, only for the workshop leader last month to claim in a local newspaper that he did it all by himself !!!!

Luckily no-one, apart from the journalist who interviewed him, believed a word he said as almost everyone here who is interested knows already. I was furious though. I also wondered how a journalist could just write what they are told without doing a bit of research. A quick google search would have told a much bigger story. I would have wondered how the man managed to organise a tour of the States without speaking English. I would have been curious as to how he financed it. I would have certainly got hold of the CD and read the bloody credits.

In Barcelona once we spent the entire holiday being followed by a Sun reporter who had been told stuff about us, he eavesdropped on conversations and tried to entice us or our friends with drinks. In the end we heard that he had said it wouldn't matter if we didn't talk he'd just make it up.

This happens. Harold was interviewed by a newspaper recently. We thought it was about Marina Heredia who he was recording at the time but no all they were interested about all the famous Brits Harold had worked with. We just kept bringing the conversation back to the present. In the end we had to laugh when we read we had been good friends with Joe Strummer who we never mentioned once. Well I did once sat next to him at an all night showing of "Up in Smoke" in Notting Hill Gate cinema, if that counts.

Another great con story was arriving in a small village in Spain to be told we had just missed Geezer Butler. Everyone was amazed they they had all been drinking with him and everyone had stories and photos which they showed us. Harold took one look and said " That's not Geezer Butler" LOL He fooled them all though, because they wanted to believe it.

Anyway if someone wrote a book of what we had done...and claimed it for themselves. I would seek revenge, if only by claiming and proving the book to be untrue and adding a few Gypsy curses for good measure.

Didn't the acclaimed "Memoirs of a Geisha" have some problems when the Geisha in question claimed that a lot of the book was made up. I really enjoyed that book but maybe if I knew a bit about Japanese culture and history then would not have been so convinced. Actually I enjoyed Duende though took it all with a big pinch of salt and saw it as fiction and didn't think it deserved half the attention as a work of literature that it received. I felt the same about Driving Over lemons, which I thought plaguerised Gerald Brenan's South of Granada. Another book which is a plaguerised rip off was Isobel Allende's "The Beast" ( if I remember rightly) which stole huge chunks out of a little known South American true story called " The Wizard of the upper Amazon".

Okay rant over. Such a long post I should have divided it up to get my "Fellowship" title :)

Kate

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Ron.M

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Kate

Kate,
Here's one to make you laugh before going to bed.
Do you remember "Lobsang Rampa" from the '60s? LOL!
Mike would love those books, if he hasn't read them all already!

LOL!

Ron
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Escribano

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Kate

quote:

In the end we had to laugh when we read we had been good friends with Joe Strummer who we never mentioned once. Well I did once sat next to him at an all night showing of "Up in Smoke" in Notting Hill Gate cinema, if that counts.


As a long-time ex-resident of Notting Hill I claim to be good friends with Madonna, Joe Strummer and Elvis Costello. Well, I have seen them on the street over the years

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Kate

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron.M

Do you remember "Lobsang Rampa" from the '60s? LOL!
Mike would love those books, if he hasn't read them all already!



Hmm no can't say I've heard of this, maybe I'm too young .

And who's Mike, or are you talking to Miguel here ?

I was talking to an American photographer yesterday on her first trip to Spain, she told me she had done her research and read "Duende". Nearly choked on my tinto de verano.



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Kate

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

Kate...can you send me one of your copies? LOL!


Yes I can, I left a copy in London with a friend, and I'll ask her to send it on to you. I know where you live it will be a pleasure (though it may take some time as my friend may not have read it yet). I'll call her tonight.

Kate

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Ron.M

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Kate

Kate,
"T. Lobsang Rampa" wrote numerous best selling books about his life story being brought up since a very young boy in a Tibetan monestary.
At my school we were all hooked on titles like "The Third Eye" which delved into mystical secrets and ancient wisdom of Eastern spirituality.
Also incredible things like levitation and telepathy and even invisibility which could be performed by the very old and wise monks there, which he had personally witnessed.
We believed every word and received his work with great reverence.
It wasn't until the 70's that someone found out that the stories were written by a certain Cyril Hoskin, an English guy, brought up in a village in Devon and living in Dublin, writing from his local and getting most of his mystical experiences from the Murphys!

Ah to be young and innocent again!


Ron

PS Hey thanks Kate! That would be great if she could send me the book once she's read it. No rush.
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Kate

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Ron.M

I get the picture. The same thing happened with Carlos Castañeda and his mystical books, cant remember titles right now. And the recent best seller " The Celestial Prophecies" was another one.

I'll call my friend tonight re our Flamenco Fantasy fiction. I think you'll enjoy it more now you know the source.

Kate

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El Craic

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RE: Jason Webster Book??? (in reply to Ron.M

Hi, a bit of perspective for anyone interested in RafaelGate here's the man's response to the article. I'm cutting and pasting coz don't know the link.




Dear Editor,

I am the professional flamenco guitarist Rafael featured in the Anthony Barnes article published last Sunday June 6th “acclaimed travel book is paella in the sky, claims flamenco tutor” in the Independent on Sunday and I would like to clarify a few points. Click here to view

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/news/story.jsp?story=528716

To put things more in to perspective, I would like the readers to know that I have extensive experience and have given concerts all over the world and given masterclasses in dozens of Universities and Music Schools. I grew up from the age of 9 in Spain and my mother is from Cordoba, Andalucia and I toured all over Spain from the age of 18 and taught English in various Language Schools in Valencia whilst living the life of a flamenco. After many years living with gypsies and flamencos, I returned to the UK and have been based here for over 10 years now. I have had many performances in the UK and worldwide including the South Bank Centre in London and taught hundreds of students how to play amongst them Jason Webster. The author of the book Duende first came to visit me in ’98 as a complete beginner and was instantly hooked and we became good friends. I would tell him stories of my life experiences in Spain with the gypsies and he would often take notes as he said that one day he would write a book about flamenco as he had been so fascinated by the whole experience I had introduced him to. He would regularly attend my concerts and even drove to Italy to see one of my performances; he was the most dedicated “groupie” and good friend. To my surprise, after having not seen him for over a year, (I introduced him to the dancer in my group whom he now lives with in Valencia ) he released the book and dedicated it to me “For Rafa, and the duende moments with him that inspired me”.

However, a compliment though it is to be dedicated a book, I would like to speak in name of all the “flamencos” worldwide whether dancers, singers or guitarists (and I have been receiving emails from professionals worldwide) and would like to put some facts straight. This book hasn’t been published in Spanish (to my knowledge) though it has in many other languages,but the “flamencos” that have heard about the contents of this book are deeeply insulted and outraged as to be a musician, dancer or singer of this art, you must spend years, perhaps decades and a lifetime of hard work and dedication to it. To have mastered this art in supposedly two years (Jason mentions in his book), he has insulted and ruined the dreams of many aspiring guitarists worldwide who wanted to live the dream of being a flamenco and has belittled the work and the effort of thousands of professionals, amongst them me. I have been lucky to be able to live this life though it has taken me so far over 25 years of dedication and study. I would like to encourage people as I encouraged Jason, to continue with their dream and passion for the art and suggest to people to perhaps take the book with some apprehension as this really does not represent the life of a flamenco. Flamenco is an expression of a culture, of a way of life, of Andalusian history going back thousands of years and I feel that this has been taken very superficially and think that a person who knows the art of flamenco well, would treat it with the respect it deserves. Especially with the alleged offensive meeting with Paco de Lucia “pissing behind a bush”. Paco de Lucia is a symbol and ambassador to his country, a household name which Spaniards are proud of, and you cannot simply make up a story in which you humiliate him. A person who even has a basic knowledge of flamenco wouldn’t even dream of offending the Maestro who is responsible for making flamenco what it is today. If we know about flamenco today outside Spain it is largely due to this man Paco de Lucia.

Finally, if there is anything I would like to gain from this, it is to promote the real duende of flamenco, the appreciation and kindness of fans, aficionados and professionals worldwide and to visit Spain and value it for what it really is.

Rafael
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email: rafael@flamencoguitarist.com
visit my web: www.flamencoguitarist.com

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Jon Boyes

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very interesting, thanks for that!

Jon
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