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Generally when flamencos do orchestral work leaving out flamenco it ends up as Arash said elevator music rather than classical music on a par with Concierto de Aranjuez. Hey what does Vicente know about Palestrina or orchestration?
Here I'm not talking about works such as Fantasia Flamenca because the flamenco element isn't missing there, rather orchestra is added to flamenco.
its funny how your taste change over the years..what u didnt like 2 years or 4 years ago u love now and give it more chance etc...
the track u keped fast fowarding past is now your absolute favourite
the music u found over the top and boring 3 years ago now all the suddent intrigues you and u see a certain something in it
the sound u didnt think was flamenco last week is all the suddent you fav this week
never say never
i agree 100% with this. I dont know what i will like in 20 years. maybe something completely different than what i like now. maybe even no more flamenco?! (i dont hope so )
I hope you weren't including 'Poeta' as an example of 'elevator music'? Personally, it's my favourite Vicente Amigo album - the combination of orchestra, poetry and guitar really suits his style (he IS a dreamy visionary rather than a traditional 'flamenco' guitarist). One track in particular (haven't got CD by me, but I think it's Track 14, starts with a truly beautiful guitar 'riff' then develops into a full orchestral tumult) brings me to tears.
I agree with MarcChrys 100% on "Poeta". I've found a few more good examples of classical/flamenco fusion to add to the list. I'm listening to Miriam Méndez's "Bach por Flamenco" for the first time right now and I'm blown away - not just by the quality of her playing (or her face!), but the sheer originality. Yes, she's playing old pieces, but the flamenco-ization (with cante and everything) is very non-trivial, and works to great effect.
I'm also about to pop in Miguel Poveda's new "Cante i Orquestra" and hope to give some thoughts on it soon.
Enrique Morente has two very interesting efforts as well: "Alegro Soleá" and "Fantasía de Cante Jondo".
Here's the list I've got of all flamenco/classical fusion efforts (haven't listened to them all). Let's try to build on this? I'll put a star next to ones I especially dig.
*Vicente Amigo - Poeta Gerardo Núñez - Salome Enrique Morente - Fantasía de Cante Jondo Enrique Morente - Alegro Soleá *Miriam Méndez - Bach por Flamenco *Gustavo Montesano - Flamenco Fantasy Miguel Poveda - Cante i Orquestra Juan Carmona - Sinfonía Flamenca *Camarón - Soy Gitano Manolo Sanlúcar - Fantasía para Guitarra y Orquesta *Manolo Sanlúcar - Medea
btw, didn't Cuban Composer (and classical guitarist) Leo Brouwer do the orchestration?
Yes. He's a clever orchestrator (and was a great performer before a hand injury interrupted that aspect of his career). I haven't heard Poeta but the samples online sure sound like him in his movie-music mode. Leo was the founding director of the Orquesta de Cordoba, which is probably how he met Vicente, and he has always had an interest in flamenco.
I like the album... it's not straight flamenco but it's still great music, and I don't agree with the elevator music comparison, Vicente is a great composer (although some might argue that he gets a bit too 'sugary' with the jazz 2-5-1 harmonic changes sometimes). My favorite flamenco/orchestra album is 'Medea' by Sanlucar though... it's just stunning. like anything he does!
Doesnt work is very politely said. Maybe one could call it A crime against humanity Bach por Flamenco is a great idea, sounds not crazy to me and its probably not a new idea. I like Bach anyway. The idea is great, but the playing doesnt shock me. I would rather like to see somebody like Diego Amador doing this, because he is technically better suited to bring more flamenco in such a project. This was more like an "arrangement" of Bach pieces for flamenco, little imrpovisation and little flamenco influence IMO (compared to how Diego plays).
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