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RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to Ron.M)
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Tom, I can just download about 5 or 6 pictures at the beginning and then everything freezes... I've tried a few times now... Anyway, it sounds like one helluva project! Well done amigo!
cheers,
Ron
I'm sorry about that Ron. Hmmm....don't know why it's freezing on you. So your only able to see the first few pics? The good stuff is at the end.
RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to flamenco_9)
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hiii Tom! this is beautiful work and guitar thank you for sharing photos. I have few questions if you dont mind! 1- did you follow the known plan of santos regarding the measurments..any changes you did? 2- in the plan the length from nut to 12th fret is 325 mm and from 12th fret to saddle is 327 mm...I wanna ask why is this 2 mm difference and why it is 2 mm and what things determine that 2 mm or more? 3- are the fan braces same in height and width? 4- if you make the fan braces connected to the transverse bar how the sound will be affected? 5- did you make the top thinner at boarders or thinner around the brigde or thinner below the bridge? thaks alot...waitting to hear your baby sings
Thank you flamenco_9,
I copied a 1944. I believe the plan your referring to is from a 1933? The measurements were almost the same between the 44' and 33'. The only noticable difference were that the fans on the 44' appear to be more angled towards the soundhole. Everything else was either the same or a few mm's different.
The extra 2mm from the 12th to the saddle is just 2mm's for compensation. If the scale length is 650mm, then the actual length of vibrating string should be around 652mm. The extra 2mm of compensation is necessary because when your fingers push down on the strings it creates a distortion in pitch. If the actual string length were the same as the theoretical scale length, each note would be slightly higher in pitch than it should. A shorter scale require more compensation than a guitar with a longer scale.
I'm not sure what the affects would be if the fan braces connected with the transverse bar. You may get some unwanted buzzing or bad vibrations if and when the struts were to flex. Maybe someone else with more experience can answer that one.
RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to AndrewE)
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Do you have any pictures which show that fret file tool you've made? Looks like a good idea.
That's quite a large foot on the heelblock, is that pretty much typical for a Santos? I think the foot in the Courtnall book is a fair bit smaller.
Hi Andrew,
The foot is cut larger than it's finished height. Once I trim the sides I take down the foot as well to it's final size.
The fret file I use is just a two in one file. One side flat for filing the frets flat against the fingerboard and the other side has the angle to bevel the frets. It's very handy and saves time. Easy to make too.
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RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to TANúñez)
Tom, that is beautiful! Both your guitar (tasteful and looking right although its a lefty), your clean work (do you ever produce any saw dust or shavings???) and your excellent photography.
RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to Per Hallgren)
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Tom, that is beautiful! Both your guitar (tasteful and looking right although its a lefty), your clean work (do you ever produce any saw dust or shavings???) and your excellent photography.
Thank you Per. I produce dust and shavings just like everybody else. I am just a "neat freak". I can't work if my environment is not organized and clean so I'm constantly cleaning up after myself. A lot of sweeping. The photography is more my camera than my photography skills.
What are you working on these days? I'v been meaning to ask you how your flamenco came out. Were you happy with the end results. It certainly looked beautiful.
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RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to TANúñez)
Busted! Yea.. Been some good runs of swells, but also was swamped with work, and playing a lot for the dance classes, got back into tennis (used to play the qualifying-circuit stuff).... Just my Single Life, ya know? I get fragmented....
And I hit that 'over-drill' snag and took forever to source some pegs that would work. Finally, someone here linked me to a maker in India who made me a killer set of custom pegs! So I'm rolling again. One top is done, starting the other. Trying to keep the two coming along at the same time. Still have #1 'sold' to a guy who wants it when I make a new one - or first shot after I decide which to keep and which to sell of the 2 new ones.
When were you in La Jolla? Why didn't you ring me?? Could have hooked up and shown you some local stuff, the workshop, Hein's guitars (3 new ones, 2 in flamed maple!)...
You're welcome here anytime. And again, I loved the presentation of the guitar. Next time you come, bring it with you!
(a shot of me and one of my distractions....lol)
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RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to Ramón)
That is an absolute killer photo! I got a rush just looking at it. While I was there, I was so busy going back and forth from San Diego, La Jolla and Escondido. Didn't have much free time.
Next time I will look you up. You need to teach me to do that. Surf that is. I love the ocean. Could sit and watch it for hours and I think if I lived there, I wouldn't get much done. Except fish and learn to surf.
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From: La Jolla, Ca
RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to TANúñez)
Thanks...Kind of a flamenco dance pic - in the water....
It's kinda nice here - but as you've seen - far too many people in too small a place. But I live about 200' from the that wave in the shot, so.... And 50 yards over (in the direction I'm headed!) is some nice little lobster ledges....
Hey...In your glueups you show one shot wetted out....Fish glue???
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From: Olympia, WA in the Great Pacific Northwest
RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to TANúñez)
Add my voice to the chorus of approval. Even the label looks classy! How many guitars have you built prior to this, and for how long have you been building?
RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to srshea)
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Add my voice to the chorus of approval. Even the label looks classy! How many guitars have you built prior to this, and for how long have you been building?
Thank you srshea. This is eight. Can't recall exactly how long I've been building. I want to say 3 years? maybe 4. I also have a day job so I'm not building fulltime although I'd like to eventually. I also build modern Ukelele's. Maybe I'll do a photo essay for one of these. They are fun little instruments.
RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to Francisco)
Thanks Francisco. This is a bench copy of a Santos so I used his head design. The 'Diablo' head design was hit and miss with some people.
I had very limited woodworking experience. Took shop classes waaaaay back in highschool and a little furniture refinishing here and there. The majority of the skills needed I learned as I went along. Still have a lot to learn.
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RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to TANúñez)
Jeff... Grew up in Encinitas, moved to LJ when I got out of school..Was always down here, anyway; girls, tennis, free diving, surfing.... I live on Nautilus...
Sorry Tom! broke the thread a bit there - but I decided I'm going to do edge-purfling this time, so today I glued up the colors I'd laid up onto the purfling (I'll wait a few days to bend all the stuff at once), so I have a bit of flash on the sides as well as top and bottom.
It works nice but I recently sold it and will go with a binding jig where the router is fixed and you place your guitar in a carriage while working it around the router.
RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to TANúñez)
Hey Tom, I really enjoyed that presentation. A magnificently looking instrument, to be sure. Let's hear what it sounds like ASAP! How much would this go for, by the way? Just curious Do you have any recordings of any of the other guitars you've made? I would love to hear something.
RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to bahen)
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Hey Tom, I really enjoyed that presentation. A magnificently looking instrument, to be sure. Let's hear what it sounds like ASAP! How much would this go for, by the way? Just curious Do you have any recordings of any of the other guitars you've made? I would love to hear something.
RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to bahen)
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Hey Tom, I really enjoyed that presentation. A magnificently looking instrument, to be sure. Let's hear what it sounds like ASAP! How much would this go for, by the way? Just curious Do you have any recordings of any of the other guitars you've made? I would love to hear something.
b.h.
Hi bahen,
Thanks. I don't really know for sure what it would "go for". Being in unknown guitar builder, probably $2000 to $2500? If I do decide to start building professionally, I think this would be my starting price.
Unfortunately I don't have any sound clips. I don't own any type of recording equipment but I am looking into it. If I end up building professionally, I will be sure to include sound, video or both on my site.
RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to TANúñez)
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I'm not sure what the affects would be if the fan braces connected with the transverse bar. You may get some unwanted buzzing or bad vibrations if and when the struts were to flex. Maybe someone else with more experience can answer that one.
I found connecting fan braces to the transverse bar (notched and glued) just stiffened up the top resulting in less substain. No buzzing problem just a little stiffer than a flamenco should have in my opinion. If I hadn't glued them buzzing might have occured.
Tom, Awesome job! Nice shop setup from what I could see. The flamenco's I made in the seventies were all made using hand tools and traditional techniques. Way too many hours involved. Again congradulations on an outstanding job.
RE: 1944 Santos Hernandez copy COMPLETED (in reply to Samarto)
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I found connecting fan braces to the transverse bar (notched and glued) just stiffened up the top resulting in less substain. No buzzing problem just a little stiffer than a flamenco should have in my opinion. If I hadn't glued them buzzing might have occured.
Tom, Awesome job! Nice shop setup from what I could see. The flamenco's I made in the seventies were all made using hand tools and traditional techniques. Way too many hours involved. Again congradulations on an outstanding job.
Thanks for the compliment Samarto.
I was thinking if the fan struts just butted up against the transverse bar. However, notched glued as you mentioned may have a better outcome. Much like the way some braces are notched and fitted over a bridge patch.
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Do you have any recordings of any of the other guitars you've made? I would love to hear something. 
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