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Where should Luhiers post videos of their instruments?


In the luhierie section
  62% (23)
In the audio and video uploads section
  13% (5)
Luthiers shouldnt post videos
  16% (6)
classifieds section
  8% (3)


Total Votes : 37


(last vote on : Apr. 12 2012 19:16:51) 
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Anders Eliasson

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Where should Luhiers post videos of ... 

I´m curious of what you guys think.

Andy has posted a couple of videos here. I have posted one and Stephen has posted one as well.
Should we continue doing so or should we post in the audio and video uploads section which is what we used to do?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 7:38:57
 
krichards

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

Depends if there's a price tag attached, then definitely 'Classified'. (there's no option in your vote for this)

But maybe we need a new section where luthiers can advertise their expertise, because that's what it is: advertising.
I don't have a problem with that, but lets not be under any illusions about it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 8:17:55
 
Elie

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

I vote for the 2nd option

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 8:48:59
 
KMMI77

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

I voted for luthiers shouldn't post videos

I think posting in the luthier or general section is best. People have to log in to view the audio and video section. That would mean less exposure for you guys.

If it's just a video playing some falsetas, and it's not really about the guitar. Then post anywhere.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 8:49:32
 
gbv1158

 

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to krichards

quote:

But maybe we need a new section where luthiers can advertise their expertise



yes, I agree!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 8:58:03
 
Arash

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

Anders, i vote for somewhere where everyone can see it (also if you are not a member or are not logged in). As KMMI77 posted, its better for you.

Also with or without price tag doesn't matter, because even if you luthiers don't put a price tag in your thread, its obvious that you want to sell it.
Unless its just playing a Falsetta on an guitar (which is your own guitar and you don't want to sell, or sell later, not now)

Anyway, this (posting everywhere) should only be possible if you are a Luthier yourself and active member. Like Stephen, you, Andy, etc.

I mean i don't want to see someone selling his guitar in each and every section. That should only be in classified.


Anyway, i also voted for "luthiers shouldn't post anything"

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 9:02:03
 
mezzo

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

I agree with Krichards it's advertising uploads.

So i vote for product review section

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 9:50:35
 
Anders Eliasson

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

Thanks for your replys.
They are very interesting. I´ve added a classifieds option.
In many aspects, I agree with Krichards. When we upload, its advertising. We want to sell. Also when someone like me upload a video of a guitar that is not for sale, its still advertising. If thats correct or not... I dont know. I´ll leave it up to the foro members.
I like the posts where you talk about who can see what section. Thats important for those of us advertising..... Again, if its right or wrong... I dont know.
I personally dont think we need more sections on the forum. IMO we already have to many. The foro is doing ok, but its not that lively.
There are 3 votes for not uploading anything anywhere... I wonder why. Thats the same as closing the luthiers section which is one of the liveliest places on the foro.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 10:21:48
 
Tomrocker

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

quote:

We want to sell. Also when someone like me upload a video of a guitar that is not for sale, its still advertising.


Of Course its still advertising. WHo will watch the video and like it will surely love to get something similar ( Or this is just me ) Also some times you would upload a video for a used product for sale (( That's rare but sometimes a good chance for clients that don't want to wait)

i voted for the luthiers section.

Cheers:))

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 10:35:54
 
El Kiko

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

quote:

But maybe we need a new section where luthiers can advertise their expertise,


YOu already have one , it's called the luthiers section ..
I think and voted for posting in the audio uploads section, as thats where the audio and video stuff goes this keeps the forum tidy , and maybe if the falseta demonstrating the guitar is good the I can steal it as well.

So there are some luthiers here , these I regard as " our " luthiers and on more than one occasion I have asked a question about guitar renovation and care etc , here and always got good advice and plenty of replies .. This is good to have such a wealth of knowledge and experience on hand here.
as for advertising here their stuff , I dont mind a bit , in fact I think it's good , thats what they do , build and sell and Im sure they are very proud of their creations, as so they should be , I wish I could build myself a better guitar or two.
Furthermore I think the people here , whether they can afford one or not , are interested in seeing and hearing the new guitars as they come out and any innovations , wood and design changes as well.
I think they should post a pic or two of a new guitar and a short vid or sound clip in the audio video section and then thats it ,, the contact and further interest etc , should then return to the Luthier section or private messages,
The only thing I dont like is when a Pic is posted that hasnt been scaled down and it has to upload at a ridiculously large format that causes the page to be really big and
you have to scroll around to see it .......please dont do that.

AND .. I have a bit of work to do on an old guitar comming up soon , so I am being nice in the hope of posting a "help I broke something messing with things I have no knowledge of " post in a few months and will be askinga question or two in the luthiers section.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 11:19:04
 
Andy Culpepper

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

Personally, I upload in the lutherie section when it's a new guitar and I want the guitar to be discussed, not my playing. I upload in the audio/video section when I have something I want to share musically. But I'll be happy to post wherever people want it

I can't believe how many people voted for "luthiers shouldn't post videos" is it just making you guys drool or something?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 14:34:02
 
TANúñez

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

If someone is reviewing a product, whether it be a buyer or seller, it should go in the Product Reviews section, for luthier related topics, the Luthier Section, if it's for sale, the Classified Section. These have already been established.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 14:37:51
 
constructordeguitarras

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

I feel like you are trying to limit our choices to only correct ones. . . .
I recently joined the Foro and immediately faced this decision. I decided to post in both product reviews and classifieds because it seemed appropriate and like I would get the best exposure that way.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 14:48:20
 
Anders Eliasson

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

quote:

I feel like you are trying to limit our choices to only correct ones


A poll is always limiting. Maybe I just dont know which ones are the uncorrect ones.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 15:41:16
 
RTC

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

I enjoy going to the Lutherie section and seeing the latest you guys are making, whether pic's, video or audio. Then if it for sale we know where it goes. If a client is reviewing well that goes in the product review.
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britguy

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

quote:

Andy has posted a couple of videos here. I have posted one and Stephen has posted one as well.
Should we continue doing so


I'd say just go ahead.

I enjoy watching/listening to craftsmen playing their own instruments. So, maybe they are ' plugging' their wares. No crime in that. . . There are lots of other 'plugs' in here too. I haven't seen any complaints about them. . .

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estebanana

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

I think the videos of luthiers can have different types of content.

Some videos may be pointedly trying say this guitar is for sale. Others may be a luthier talking about certain points of guitar making or talking about how they build their guitars. Or a video could be an interesting combination of both. The thing to decide is when to say it's straight up advertising and belongs in the Classified section and when the video may be edifying to the public about guitar making topics.

If the guitar is already being taken by an undisclosed buyer and the video is a documentation of the a makers work then I feel it's more about showing your work and you don't have to list all the things that it has as if you were trying to sell it. If the video is written like an ad then it seems it is an ad. If it is a luthier saying I did these things on this guitar and this is what happened to effect the sound or the way it looks then, that is more about sharing how the luthier works artistically and seem correct for the luthery section.

I think sharing ideas about how one works on a guitar should be included in the luthery section, but if you're going to write a factual ad for a guitar you own or built on spec then the classifieds seems more proper.

I'd rather see the criteria stay rather loose and be up to the person to self reflect on what is ethical than have hard and fast rules.

It's show biz. If you can build or you can play you should be able to strut your stuff if you are cool about it. If your videos will enhance the luthery section by showing what you do, who you are and tell a story about guitar making then I say fine.

Otherwise why are we even here? To council beginners on whether or not they should buy a 400.00 guitar made in China or a 500.00 guitar made in Pakistan? Why would that even hold my interest or elevate the dialog about Spanish guitars?

The only caveat I see is that if one person posts too many videos and abuses the space by dominating it with an overload of "guitar making" videos which are obviously pointed only at sales. There could be all kinds of topics which videos could address in the same way guitar players like Ricardo or Jason post examples of their playing to get across a point about technique or style. If a guitar maker was pulling an obvious Prof. Diaz routine, then they should be dealt with by the moderator if enough people feel it's clogging the section.

In the end I think the luthiers who put themselves out there and answer questions for free on this forum should get some perks in return like a little free advertising. Many of the non builders here ask questions about set up, repair work, humidity, travel with guitars, or for help with trouble shooting bad sounding guitars. They get good answers for free and they get to hear professional guitar makers mull over their problems together. Where else can you get that and have it specifically focused on flamenco guitars?

There will always be problems when you mix professionals with hobby builders. But you have to remember the professionals are the ones who sit in the hot seat and learn by trial and error and lose money or make money accordingly. If they are good nice enough to pass on information then they should also get a few kudos for that too.

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to estebanana

quote:


In the end I think the luthiers who put themselves out there and answer questions for free on this forum should get some perks in return like a little free advertising. Many of the non builders here ask questions about set up, repair work, humidity, travel with guitars, or for help with trouble shooting bad sounding guitars. They get good answers for free and they get to hear professional guitar makers mull over their problems together. Where else can you get that and have it specifically focused on flamenco guitars?


Couldn't have said it better. This is a pretty democratic site, with a minimum of BS and as such I don't see shameless self promotion being a problem. When it comes around, plenty of people call it out anyways. Of course one can always simply avoid a thread that pushes buttons. In any case if we took the collective experience of the luthiers who post here, it's not insignificant and the ensuing dialog usually is, if nothing else, amusing and sometimes enlightening.

Of course, I have some video coming soon. One guitar that might be of interest beyond those who might want to hear one of mine....
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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to aarongreen

I have no plans to ever build a guitar but I love guitars and I really enjoy reading the luthiers' discussions about the art and methods of guitar building. I welcome any videos from luthiers, advertising and promotion is also fine by me.
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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

I honestly don't have a problem with vids just going right in the general section, so long as flamenco is the focus. If there is some amazing construction design detail that is showed and discussed in the vid (like estebanana's dracula video or the soundport vid of Mcguire), then luthier section makes sense. If the focus is the player or music, then audio uploads. And I have no problems with all 3 featuring the same exact vid in case I might miss it my not checking ALL the sections of the foro when I have time to log in.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 6 2012 16:03:05
 
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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

Luthier section... And of course price tag if the instrument is for selling.

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Shawn Brock

 

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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

I voted for posting in the Luthiers Section. After all, that's my favorite section on the Foro, and I don't even build!

If the guitar in the video is being advertised as being for sale then put it over in the classifieds. If you want comments on your playing put it in the uploads... Otherwise keep it right here in the Luthiers Section!

I watch every video that's ever posted in the Luthiers Section and love spending the time here. Keep it up!
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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

i don't build guitar, but i would like to know more about how guitar building built , I also like to collect guitars and i am not finish collecting them yet, i am still searching my next guitars, so it is good to know some luthiers here and what they did .
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RE: Where should Luhiers post videos... (in reply to Anders Eliasson

Hmm no option for don't really care!

I can see where the thread is going though it's basically; do people think us luthiers are trying to advertise by posting videos here and do we think its ok.

Well the simple answer is yes it is. Whether that guitar is for sale or not, or your comparing two guitars your still advertising, we do take commisions right? So any work on show is advertising and just our very presence here is advertising.

Is it ok? I guess it depends on what the forum creator had in mind for this section. On one luthier forum we each have a thread just for us and our guitars. Mr Faulk is over there I have seen. On another forum there is a self promotion section not attached to the Luthier forum at all and anything suspected as self promotion is deleted and asked politly to be put in the that area. There are guys here that post alot more self promotion material than others but thats probably more through choice than anything else.

Personally I don't post stuff like that because I'm not a great player and don't have the means to make a recording that can ever do justice to my work. Neither do I wish to bother my customers with requests for audio and video clips so they can help me. I've posted two threads a couple of years ago with examples of my work and to this day I haven't changed a thing. So I haven't posted again.

I think it's great hear what all you guys are working on and building though. Also, seems as this is the only part of the forum I look at then its probably best they get posted here!

If I ever have a guitar for sale though you may see a vid

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