Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - photos and video clips

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Escribano

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Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - photos...

OK, it's ready, took me four hours to sort this drunken pile into some sort of meaning.

What can I say? This why we are doing what we are. It gave me goosebumps. I am not a "clubby" sort of guy but this was the dog's dangly bits. A mis amigos, you were better company than I ever imagined.

CLICK HERE for more information or recent memories

NO to terrorists, SI to flamenco

Gracias Melchor.

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Ron.M

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Great photos and clips Simon!
Thanks for making it available as streaming video for us rural buggers who don't yet have wideband available.
To Emma, great looking guitar!
To Estela, you look great!
To Simon, I'd watchit with Big Don's daughter if I were you.
He looks like the sort of guy who would rip your head off and spit down your windpipe then go for a beer after, if you know what I mean....

cheers

Ron

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Escribano

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Ron.M)

You're welcome Ron, I hope you got a sense of the occasion.

quote:

To Simon, I'd watchit with Big Don's daughter if I were you.
He looks like the sort of guy who would rip your head off and spit down your windpipe then go for a beer after, if you know what I mean....

Funny you should say that. He did chaperone rather closely and I could not get him to retire early. Sorry Don.

As he and I chatted over a fino, discussing the merits of the Conde he had just bought, he tells me he shot a grizzly the previous week - "Damn thing kept raiding the fridge".

Though he was most impressed when I told him my dog could sort out his mountain lion problem.

I embellish yeah not

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 20 2004 23:24:54

Florian

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Thank you for Sharing Simon , is so nice to be able to hear it and see it rather than just hear about it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2004 1:21:14

Miguel de Maria

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Simon, great stuff, looks like you'll have nice memories for a long time to come. :)

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TANúñez

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

Simon that was EXCELLENT! Thanks for taking the time to post those vids and pics and taking us there.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2004 2:54:42

Guest

RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Looks really cool. I´ll come down and join you next year.

Anders

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2004 7:35:24

Melchor

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Hi Simon, that was great, what nice memories!

The Moneo´s and the Carpios were very friendly with us, and made us experience something wich is not something you can buy or pay for. That is really what flamenco is about and we were able to experience it first hand. You can watch Tomatito or Jose Merce in a concert but what can really make you understand what flamenco is and where it comes from is just by been in Jerez and sharing a juerga with them. Simon, I think we should keep in contact with them and send them a copy of the videos. I am sure they will remember us next year and will delight us with their cante.

I hope next year more people can get together, specially you guys who live so far like the States or Australia.

Thanks Simon for your effort.

Melchor

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2004 9:20:43

Tenshu

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Fantastic...

This has to be the first time EVER I see(or even hear) a woman playing la guitarra flamenca.

Excellent videos. I really like the second cantaor in the buleria (Y mi madre Maria ...)

Thanks

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2004 9:25:57

Tenshu

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Tenshu)

Way cool... I'm accompanying the cante on video so I can trick my mind into believing I was actually there.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2004 9:39:00

Escribano

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Melchor)

quote:

think we should keep in contact with them and send them a copy of the videos

I have Manuel Moneo's address and will send a print to him and the pena - I'll try and make a short video tape for them. Was the second singer a Carpio? Give me his name and I will update the site.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2004 10:36:14

Tenshu

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

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Give me his name and I will update the site.

You might also want to change Manuel Moneo sings soleares into Manuel Moneo sings seguiriyas. Your street credibility would go WAY up

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2004 11:34:32

El Craic

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Thank you Simon 'El Presidente' Shearston!!! So many good memories.

On the inside cover of Robin's book it says "How are you going to be able to talk about Spain after you've actually been there". Great to share. Thanks.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2004 11:41:55

Escribano

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Tenshu)

It was a long night

Funnily enough, they play soleares real slow in Jerez.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2004 11:42:20

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Oups Simon, watch out with that street credibility.

Siguiriyas are actually faster than soleares if you count all 12 beats in the compas. Some 90 - 100 for soleares and 130 - 140 for siguiriyas. The just have this slow feeling because normally you don´t count all 12 beats, but the 8, 10, 12, 3, 6 or 8, 10, 12, 2,3, 5,6, but this doesn´t change the original cycle.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2004 7:36:09

Escribano

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Guest)

Thanks Anders, I don't think I mean't what I think you think I meant

We noticed the soleares is played much slower than we would have expected in Jerez. Perhaps the Solo Compas soleares comes from Jerez - I think it's at about 70 bpm, but I can't look it up at work.

It seems to be a trend for a guitarist to play too fast. The constant call from Jaime, our friendly singer, was "mas tranquillo".

Street cred? Huh, I am a newbie, still learning after all these 18 months.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2004 8:05:11

Escribano

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Having said that, I guess I do think of Siguiriyas as slower than Soleares. I'll have a closer listen. Thanks.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2004 8:17:47

el ted

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Excellent stuff. You lucky buggers!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2004 8:31:26

El Craic

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

you're right simon "mas tranquilo" was the lesson of the festival for me too. Also remember Rafa from Cadiz told me I was playing a solea tempo and feel typical of Jerez - he said that they like solea to be slower in Jerez than Cadiz. Melchor said I should take that as a compliment haha....which is rubbish i've so much to learn.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2004 11:14:00

Fergusito

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Thanks Simon for all your hard work on this. It makes all the memories come flooding back looking at this stuff.
Fergus

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Escribano

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to El Craic)

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Melchor said I should take that as a compliment haha....

Yes and.... Rafael also recognised your Bulerias De Jerez, that you got off Fergus, so Jerez certainly gave you an accent

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2004 13:03:00

Escribano

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Fergusito)

quote:

It makes all the memories come flooding back looking at this stuff.

Si, muy flamenco del bacalao

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2004 13:04:30

Guest

RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Simon, I also feel the siguiriya slower than soleá, but if you put a metronome, it´s the same speed as alegrias!!!

Solea is being played slower and slower, but 70.. boy that´s slow

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2004 13:14:27

Escribano

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Guest)

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I also feel the siguiriya slower than soleá

Probably all the pauses. I'll check the Solo Compas CD when I get home, or maybe someone else can? I recall it was too slow to be playable for me.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2004 13:16:52

Melchor

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Certeainly Emma is building a jerezano accent in her Spanish and I feel proud of that

Melchor

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2004 17:57:18

El Craic

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

gracia' ami'o me gu'ta mi nuevo accent' de jere'. Ere' buen profesor.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2004 18:46:42

Escribano

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to El Craic)

'e nada

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2004 19:39:09

TANúñez

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Hey Emma, so who made the new guitar you got? Very lovely. The guitar is nice too

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2004 19:49:20

El Craic

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

haha shall i pretend to blush

Sean O'Brian's your man. He originally put me on to Rafael Lopez - although on this trip I kept Jonathan and Simon out guitar shopping all day - que tan chica mala (if I got a euro for every time...)

I had to play the guitar and loads of others to realise that nothing else i'd played in that price range was close, but I suppose these things are personal too. 'She' is beautiful and 'she' will sound better when I do. Rafa said 'she' was definately a 'she'.

http://www.rafaellopezehijo.com/

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